These stats are missing 2 catergories...

1) HMODBK

and

2) HMLSPDBAKHBW

Work them out, I may watch the game back to see for myself and get back to you. Oh, and just to give you a helping hand... the "B" stands for Burrow.

Indeed so I wonder why you felt the need to bring it up when I commented upon Broughton's relatively poor performance against us?

Erm, IIRC it was you. You commented about how he chased back and nearly saved a try. I commented "whoop de doo".
If you made no comment on Broughton's performance against WIgan who produced those stats and what are you doing now? Quite. You've answered your own question, btw, about your production of the stats from Broughton's display against Wigan.

One might expect a hooker to make more tackles than a centre wouldn't one?

If one simply comments that Buderus has missed the same amount of tackles as Watkins it's hardly an agenda. Merely stating a fact. That someone might want to mitigate Buderus' misses without doing the same for Watkins is a clear sign of agenda. Hero worship one might say.

Quote ="G1"Erm, IIRC it was you. You commented about how he chased back and nearly saved a try. I commented "whoop de doo".'" So who was it that first felt the need to discuss Broughton in 2011. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=484586&p=15911993 Top of the page you can't miss it. Quote ="G1"If you made no comment on Broughton's performance against WIgan who produced those stats and what are you doing now? '" I never said I made no comment now did I? I responded to your post. It's what we tend to do around here, similar to holding a conversation only (on our own terms) and without the awkward pauses. The important part surely here is who brings us back to the ex-Leeds starlet? The first mention I can recall of Broughton this season was from you with your 'PS' on a completely unrelated topic as linked to above and then shortly after there was the : 'hey Gaddafi' post here, viewtopic.php?f=17&t=485957&p=15929664 where at least you were candid enough to flag up your intention in advance. If you know of an earlier exchange (this season and preferably one I actually instigated) then perhaps you'll provide the link to it.

Quote ="G1"Erm, IIRC it was you. You commented about how he chased back and nearly saved a try. I commented "whoop de doo".'" So who was it that first felt the need to discuss Broughton in 2011. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=484586&p=15911993 Top of the page you can't miss it. Quote ="G1"If you made no comment on Broughton's performance against WIgan who produced those stats and what are you doing now? '" I never said I made no comment now did I? I responded to your post. It's what we tend to do around here, similar to holding a conversation only (on our own terms) and without the awkward pauses. The important part surely here is who brings us back to the ex-Leeds starlet? The first mention I can recall of Broughton this season was from you with your 'PS' on a completely unrelated topic as linked to above and then shortly after there was the : 'hey Gaddafi' post here, viewtopic.php?f=17&t=485957&p=15929664 where at least you were candid enough to flag up your intention in advance. If you know of an earlier exchange (this season and preferably one I actually instigated) then perhaps you'll provide the link to it.

Oh I am sorry, I see now you're moving the goalposts. You now say

When what you said earlier was

You can see the difference I assume? You did find Broughton's performance worthy of comment, you appear to continue to do so. I never claimed you were the first one to comment upon it. That seems to be a new qualification you've introduced.

For a subject you apparantly tire of when your opinion is challenged (I don't claim to tire of it) you;re posting about it an awful lot.

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Actually that appears to be exactly what you said.

Thanks. I note you're the first poster to bring up Broughton's Wigan display on that thread. Certainly an example of you finding it worthy of comment, despite your denial.

There is no movement of any significance from me here.

You commented first re Broughton this season (to end a response to one of my posts, on a completely unconnected reply I made and on an unconnected topic) to which (=#FF0000and only to which) I responded. Did you think for one mili-second I would be so discourteous as to ignore you? I thought we had an understanding.



Yet only it appears in response to you.

I don't tire of discussing RL generally, only dim and distant past decisions the Leeds club made when they've been covered repeatedly and in depth many, many times before.



You're welcome. 'On that thread' being the relevant observation. Without =#FF0000your interest in Broughton I'd have remained blissfully unaware at just how consistently impressive his 'go forward/involvement' remains.

And Buderus is a far superior hooker than donkey Diskin.

It could be perceived as "Hero worship" but only if the constant, but subtle, criticism of Buderus was acknowledged as "an agenda".



I'm a bit too old for Hero Worship, but it seems that others are not too old for schoolyard agendas.

Watched the game back and our PTB is very slow, even when our players land on there front Knees an elbows. (or as i heard Cullen say on Sky the other week "landing tackle down ?!!"icon_wink.gif

Right, I got the first one to be "How Many Owls Does Burrow Keep?". I've watched it back and it doesn't say.

The second one was much trickier but I eventually I got that it was obviously "How Many Leeds Senior Players Do Burrow And Keith Have Blowouts With?". I've watched it carefully. I wouldn't want to give you an exact number in case the cameras missed a few but Robbie gets pretty angry with someone at one point so it's at least 1!

I saw at least two from burrow. As for keith didnt actually see any shouting just his usual scary snarl on several occasions.

Again, let me remind you what you said.



If you had said



But you didn't say that did you. You found Broughton's performance worthy of comment and appear to continue to do so.

Let me clarify the hidden agenda for you. I'll come out in the open.

When I said "Buderus has missed 4 tackles"

What I really meant was

"Buderus has missed 4 tackles"

Appalling heresy I know. I do apologise. The next time I observe Buderus missed tackle count, error count, or penalties conceded (goodness forbid he would ever do these things) I will qualify the statement with glowing, loving reference to the wonderful things he does to ensure nobody could ever misconstrue a comment they Buderus has missed 4 tackles as being negative.

All you need to do is throw enough bait into the pond and the "guilty" fish can't help themselves.

I'm quite sure I don't know what you mean.

If I upset you (or anyone else) by having the temerity to bring up Buderus's 4 missed tackles, sorry, 4 missed tackles according to OPta which is never accurate when recording negative statistics for Buderus, then I apologise.

No need to apologise, you don't mean it anyway.

Almost, no animals involved though.

OK, Ill tell you...

1) How many overlaps did Burrow kill

&

2) How many looping slow passes did Burrow attempt to kill his outside backs with

Both of these are important stats and I reckon both are pushing double figures every game.

What about How many over-laps did Webb feck up?
Or Who was the worst passer for leeds in the last game?
I'll give you a clue none of it involves Robbie!

Yeah, but what has that got to do with my agenda against Rob? Nothing..





And I am right about Rob. Sooner or later everyone will see it.

You've both totally lost me now. What has any of this got to do with Rob's pet owls?!

Look into the eyes ,not around the eyes 3.2.1.....................yer under

For someone who only last week claimed 'not to be concerned with stats' or some such similar sentiment you appear to be placing a lot of emphasis on one of them this week. Stats are all well and good but certain stats (such as missed tackles) don't give anything more than a basic overall indication without referencing them to actual plays within the game. It's why, like you, I don't rely on them too much.

Here's my opening contribution to the crucially significant 'Buderus missed a tackle or four' discussion: 62nd minute, Lauitiiti and Buderus both in turn missed a tackle on Lomax which cost Leeds approximately two meters of territory close to their own line. Despite Lomax being missed he was stopped short of the line to no real discernable detriment to the defensive play thanks to Sinfield and Webb who layed on to slow the resultant play the ball. The defence was re-set and had the numbers to deal with the following St Helens play down their left flank. However Meli scores easily on Watkins outside shoulder as the Leeds man is caught 'ball watching' rather than numbering up on his man defensively.

Purely as an accompanying observation, 123 seconds before the Meli try Leeds were in the lead, in possesion and attacking in the St Helens half before a brain-fart moment by a Leeds player arguably changed the momentum of the match.

Not at all. As I have done the last few weeks with Kirke's carry count (which I have fairly accurately predicted) I was relying upon what I saw. The statistics supported what I saw.

Can I just check, do you think Buderus didn't miss 4 tackles?

I don't have the benefit of the game on SKy+ any more.

As I am stranded at home recovering from a bout of gout I might have watched it again with a pen and paper as you appear to have. Instead. I shall have to retreat to the settee with Bacon, Sarnie, Coffee, packet of ginger biscuits and the Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

You'll never fit all that and her on one of your sofa's mate, but if you did, it'd be fun picking the ginger biscuit crumbs out...