Ah yes those guys! That well and truly p!ssed on that campaign

True, but you missing one vital point:

BBC awards ceromony - F1 switched from ITV to the BBC this year

Any bets that Andy Murray will be in the top 3?
Oh hang on it's supposed to be Sports Personality of the Year.
Team should be the England Women's cricket team, but my money would be on the Brawn GP team & Button for the individual awatrd.
For Overseas personality I'd vote for Lance Armstrong.

Well Jenson and Ennis are the favourites with the bookies for the main award and coupled with the fact that they have also picked sport-people based teams since the 1960's, and Jenson is a front-runner I don't think Brawn will win.

However, list so far looks like this -

Brawn GP - Although it would appear only on this board!
England Cricket Team
England Women's Cricket Team (I think they are my favourites to win)
England's Men Hockey Team (who have been very good this year and won the European Championships and I have added)
Leeds Rhinos

Why would you say Lance (who has already won it) over Contador? I don't think it will be either BTW.

Because it's about personality & coming back after so long out at his age was truly remarkable.
Valentino Rossi maybe is a contender.
Usain Bolt, now he really is a personality.
I don't know that being a previous winner would debar anyone.

The BEEB has contracts/coverage of F1 and MotoGp so for once being able to do a decent review would make their programme/award more legit than the past.
SO maybe if its THEIR in house choice it could be BRAWN -though it doesnt have the human aspect of a football/cricket/RL

-team .
And for Foreign sportsperson-with-lot-s-of-personality- its hard to beat =greenTHE =redDOCTOR and he has won his 9th world title and exceeded 100 gp wins.

RL having had its day in the sun with Saints makes me think lightning wont strike twice for our achievement.

Since when has having a personality been a pre-requisite to winning a BBC personality award ?

Never, but I live in hopes.
The optimism of youth.

I see your Mansell and raise you a Davis




BTW have you read your text messages yet ?

I agree regarding Mansell's lack of charisma, but Romford Slim has a good personality. He's always entertaining when he's interviewed.

Steve "Interesting" Davis does hold a special distinction in the annals of SPOTY. Apart from Jim Laker in 1956 (when he took 19 wickets in a match), he is the only non-Olympic competitor to win in the year of an Olympics. That's some achievement.

It depends where your marker of "good personality" starts from.

If its a wooden post then you may have a point.

I don't see why Leeds would win it. Every single sport has to have a winner at the end of the season/tournament. We haven't done anything particularly remarkable.

Saint Helens again for me. They've been in the last 4 GFs dontcha know!

i was thinking the same, but maybe the treble champions is the point people are making, rather than merely super league champions 2009.

The award has the word "personality" in it.

Thats the forehead out of the running

I think that is indeed the point! Is this achievement better than Saints 2006 achievement of the treble of CC, Hub-cap and SL title? The three previous seasons Saints record was average at best with the hub-cap in 2005 but not reaching the final and nothing in 2003 & 2004! We have now won three SL titles in a row as well as one of the two WCC we have appeared in and have the double in the bag in 2009. Other than the CC we have dominated SL for the last three years and are arguably the (because of the three straight SL titles) the most successful team in SL history.

If we had beaten Manly in March and now have a treble would that make a difference to people's opinion? Is the CC the problem as to why at least people don't seem to think we at least deserve to be talked about as possible (because I don't think we will get the award) winners?

Sorry, he forgot to add "without cheating".

We have a little way off being "better than Saints" in Super League history books

In terms of total competition points I think we do quite well. The gap is something like 8 points over the 12 years

Do you not understand the meaning of the word 'arguably'?

When you have looked it up in the dictionary and found the meaning of said word why don't you give it a go then?

I will even start the post for you "St Helens are the most successful club in SL history and not Leeds because...."

Yes, sorry Big Rob, maybe should have included the words 'without cheating' in there but lets see what his argument is first!

Well, we are waiting?

The thing is its sports personality of the YEAR. Our past stuff will mean nothing I'm afraid