Was always going to be a real arm wrestle in those conditions, a sign of a champion team is being able to pull through, and that's what we did.

You have to rotate between him and Watkins - he made some bad errors tonight his defence for the Dixon try was woeful - he gave away a both penalties and ball his juggling act towards the end could have cost the game - struggling to see what quality stuff he did tonight tbh - but I appear to be in a minority of one

Can't believe anyone is slagging Senior off. Had a cracking game in attack and defence. Looked more dangerous with the ball than anybody IMO and made ground every time.

In fact, i'd be very interested in seeing how many tackles he made. Reckon he was well up there.

BHe wasn't that good but he was better than most and the only 3/4 used as an attacking weapon.

Do you not think rotating two left centres will upset the balance of the team?
Or do you suggest rotating them on a match to match basis?

No but I do think Senior needs using carefully maybe three games and then a rest depending on the opponents

Wasn't it his break from our own half that put us in the position to win the game?

At present, if you take Senior out you totally negate our 3/4 as an attacking threat making us much easier to defend against. He needs to be there whilst we try to develop our other attacking options.

His mistakes put us in a position where we could have lost the game too

Very true. Senior does some impressive work in defence too, slows the play the ball down well.

2 errors compared with an 80 minute contribution. Plenty of other players made errors. Why aren't we slagging off Burgess (IIRC) for letting Chase swan over?

Senior WAS one of our better players tonight, at least from the armchair point of view I had. (apart from the 10 mins or so when the storm hit leeds and sky went AWOL). A couple of errors, so what! He more than made up for it recovering ball from their errors IMO.
Senior +1

Because the OP has made his mind up on each and every player. He has his favourites, and his targets, and desperately tries to find evidence in each game to justify said theories ... whether the evidence exists or not.

As did other players.

Read my first post regarding Burgess

Classic knee-jerker.

Maverick Rhino = spot on.

If you can't see that Senior was one of the better players on the pitch tonight you are a loon and should give up with your "Thoughts on tonight/today" threads.

So all the other points are valid you don't agree with one so I should stop posting - thanks - when I post as much diatribe as you I will consider refraining from posting - maybe you should also consider that?

Why on earth focus on what he could have done and not what he did do?

Aside from that you're right to criticise his awful knock on and his poor play for Dixon's try.

Not so sure McGuire was "immense" but won't criticise a half back in those conditions (though he was at fault for cas' first try with an awful ball from dummy half).

Burgess should be dropped for Bailey. Truly awful ball retention.

Discipline is, frankly, becoming beyond a joke and if McLennan is unable to sort it our soon it will be the death of us. Mr Hetherington needs to have a serious word in the coaches ear about this failing especially as the coach himself identified it before the Saints cup game and seems incapable of doing anything about it.

Pleased with the defensive effort but thought we were awful ball in hand. Though the conditions didn't help they didn't hinder Cas as much. Cas had a much better kicking game, by some distance.

Oh, and Shenton didn't look any great shakes up against Ablett but nonetheless he did ingratiate himself to me by handing us the win.

It was meant to be ironic...

But a s G1 has pointed out, your apparent point is so ridiculous, then yes, please cease.

In Senior's defence, I'm not sure why Leeds were determined to fling the ball out to him in such conditions when taking a tap on their 20.

Pretty obvious really two minutes to go they were not making any headway him and Hall seemed the only outlet at the time given that both Ablett and Smith looked either injured or shattered

A huge issue as you say, just watching the replay and Tony Smith keeps stating the obvious when pointing out the negative effects in terms of field position and tries conceded.

tvoc will no doubt pop along with the stats on penalty counts, I've lost count again, suffice to say we are still losing the majority of penalty counts.

I get more furious every week about this. Especially when Mclennan has publicly stated he's aware of it and he's going to (when?) do something about it.

It appears he is unable.

Did you go to the game Gareth the conditions were appalling Cas had so much ball in the first half and managed one try from a dropped ball by Hall and one from a really bad defensive play from Senior not sure what else they did with the ball tbh. We had some players who simply could not adjust their play to the conditions Webb never looked like catching a high ball and Burgess never looked like keeping hold of one

No I watched on telly. It looked V bad. I thought the only try where they opened us up was the Chase one.

Psst, Hall's dropped ball was a really bad pass from McGuire at dummy half, behind him and over his shoulder.

I thought Cas handled the conditions much, much better than us part of which was down to their superior kicking game. Sherwin and Chase were very good for them.