He had his time the downward trend had started as it often does when sumones been the same place too long, i suspect you already know this though.

Do you disagree that the appointment should be made with sumones actual coaching credentials in mind?

I totally understand why people aren’t happy, I just have a different opinion that’s all. I also don’t like to be negative all the time and try look at positives

What has he done in the past? He’s got this team looking a whole load better, do you genuinely believe we are no better?

Past success at other teams doesn’t guarantee anything which coaches with past successes has in the recent past won a SL totle with their club?

And for that matter what are you calling past successes?

Not really. Overall assessment of SL right now and second or Third should be a reasonable target considering Wigan have that sown up right now having nowhere near the squad of recent times, also new coach and playing abysmal for the first half of the year. That is not saying a great deal and we should be minimum looking at the play offs. Saints are a level above granted but the bar below is as low as i can remember.

If we played good rugby, see things changing for the better and finished top 5 then i don't think you would find many complaining. Its not always about winning trophies. Personally i have seen enough success and trophy winning to see me through to the grave a very happy man even if we don't win owt for the rest of my time. But the rugby on offer on the whole has been imo dire for many seasons now despite some silverware thrown in ( one spell in 2015 aside) . I just want to watch my team again on regular basis and look forward to it knowing that win or lose the fare on offer will be of sufficient quality.

I have huge reservations but If Agar can make that happen he will get a thumbs up from me.

Im calling past success a history of getting teams to play to there full potential, playing above the sum of there parts in really good coaches cases. When good coaches do that, they then get the chance at bigger teams. Agar hasnt done that anywhere he's been...He's been seen as useless by fans of every team he's been at, his CV backs that up. its a shame because i like him, i would love him to prove me wrong, but i dont think he's the right appointment.

7 wins, 8 losses...Thats your proving point for his credentials? In his whole coaching career?...Is that the limit of the clubs and fans ambition now. Im not saying we havnt improved a touch since he took over, but we'v still been poor, the only decent team we beat were Cas. You also seem to be refusing to acknowledge the easier run of fixtures and improved personnel.

End of the day im giving you his coaching history, actual results and performance, as a reason im not thrilled with his appointment, your giving me hope, opinion and this seasons efforts, which are getting massively overrated imo, as the reasons your ok with it...I hope im wrong and your absolutely right.

Im not refusing to acknowledge anything, we look a far better ‘team’ than the first half of the year IMO regardless of who we've played, you mention new personel how do you know Agar didn’t have a big hand in bringing those recruits in?

I hope he proves the doubters wrong too.

I think he’ll go better than many are suggesting. Do I think he’s the coach to take us back to winning silverware? I don’t think ultimately he is but I do think he’s the right coach for our current set up and situation, I totally understand I am in the minority... time will prove one of us correct.

Indeed it will, i would love to be wrong on this one.

In my opinion the only way keeping agar makes sense, or is acceptable, is that it's on a kind of steady the ship stop gap basis, until the real guy is available. No point making another wrong appointment if they aren't available right now. Agar isn't going to have us competing for titles again, but he can maybe point us in the right kind of direction so the right coach can come in to a ready made set up and go full steam.

I'm with you what the team needs now is a bit a stability.That saying I do hope KS is trying to shift out some of our under performing and simply not could enough contracted players to other clubs.Although who would take some of them i'm not so sure.

I honestly think that is what’s happening but we’ll see what deal he is given

Press conference at 9.30am Monday to announce Agar as Head Coach.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if we lose next week and therefore finish 2 points about the team at the bottom, just like it was when he took over.

With the greatest respect the opinions of fans of other clubs are the last thing the club should or will factor into their decision.

Pretty much. I don't think shifting Agar to yet another role in the club should prove too problematic.

Precisely the decision to appoint Agar if true will be based on GH and KS daily observations of workings of the man with the squad.

I’ve posted about Agar already but I will say again, if he’s got the players on side and after a period of gelling like a full pre season I think it could work as long as we have have a decent assistant! There is no point throwing money at a top name coach for it to fail because the players don’t like him or they wanted Agar, or Kev doesn’t like him. End of the day whether we like it or not Kev is in charge here and he will be the next CEO. We as fans should back him and give him a chance, they will have taken their time on this. Let’s hope it works.

So we should pick the next coach based on who a bunch of failing players think they can work with?

That just perpetuates the problem, not solve it.

Results business at the clubs he's coached

You failed to quote the very nxt sentence saying his CV backs that opinion up.

Or a relative of Hetherington and a puppet for Sinny. Not to mention another cheap option. Likeable guy mind who could lead us towards mid-table if that's what your after!

Surely it's in the best interests of the club both on the field and also off the field commercially to get the next coaching appointment right as so much revenue rests upon the business?

Leeds Rhinos is by far the best run SL club by a mile and they know only too well how much extra fans per game bring to the party over a season

Hypothetically speaking an extra 4,000 fans at each home game which is plausible if we were successful and @ £25 per ticket is £100,000 per game on the terraces alone is well over an extra million quid per season

Surely the next head coach will be chosen because they believe that he can bring a successful side and also the fans back to the ground by being successful/playing entertaining rugby?

If the club choose the easy and cheap option then surely they will lose big time?

Maybe it’s time to get a bit humble. Leeds is a great club but it isn’t the only great club. We simply do not have the pick of any coach (or player) in the game, which I think some posters forget.

If Richard Agar is the best available candidate for what we need next year, and this appointment may not be longer than that in practice, then fine. Let’s get behind the team and give it a chance.

We could have the love child of Tony Smith and Craig Bellamy coaching us and we’re still not going to win anything without some better players for me.

Dont think anyone thinks we can just pick any coach in the game and theyd come, they just think we could pick a better coach than Agar, theres a massive middle ground between the two...Thinking we can do better than Agar is different to thinking we can have anyone we want.

Not important now though, he's getting the job, we'l get behind him and hope he does well.

Well yes then who? Watson and Ward have done great jobs this year, but does that really translate to Leeds?

The Aussies are either assistants with no head experience, already well settled, or have some kind of cloud over them.

Powell ruled himself out and I feel he was the main hope at one stage.

Up to this week if the season had started when Agar got the job we would be 5th so that for mine shows improvement.

And out of the challenge cup to Bradford.