No organisation, poor last tackle options, players stood around taking on flat ball from standing starts and of course now the all too familiar hands like cows teats.

Better effort yes but still look poor, I agree the COVID break has totally robbed us of some good continuity and the injuries have left us looking very disjointed.

McLelland is a Championship player. Luke Briscoe is a reserve. Handley should never play Full Back again. Play Liam Sutcliffe at Full Back and Dwyer at Scrum Half if Chubs Lui isn't back. On the plus side, we got within a converted try before brain implosions from Cuthbo and Gale.

Totally agree, if you concentrate on performance the W & L take care of themselves. We look like we’ve got no idea of what we’re going to do when we start a set with or without the ball, it’s all panic stuff and therefore we get pulled apart so easily. I genuinely believe that Agar can see this, but he doesn’t know how to solve it. We need a coach and quickly but he’s got the job for this year at least. That said, Sunny doesn’t have a great track record of choosing coaches...

Fantastic words from Adrian Lam on Rob at the end Wigan have shown some real class this week.

I get that with this squad we're not going to compete at the top and we're in a transition but I don't actually see how we're moving closer to being a side that can regularly compete. A win here and there doesn't paint over the cracks of performances like today where we look like a side that doesn't get coached at all. We play one man rugby 90% of the game, the kicks are uninspired and the last tackle plays are braindead. There's no organisation in what they are doing and it's been this way for weeks.

In the footy having watched the way Bielsa got our previously no-hopers drilled, fit and playing it's so clear how important the coach is. You can never outrun an average/bad coach for very long even with great players which we don't have. Agar as a manager is such a nothingness.

Were clearly missing Walker and Myler, thought Smith was poor tonight, but he’s young hell have off games

I thought we competed well tonight and matched Wigan for most of it.
I thought Handley did ok but without Walker or Myler linking in the line Gale struggles to free the 3/4 's. I would continue with Mclennand, give him a run of games. Dwyer gets plenty of criticism but he at least offers a running threat and in a side that looks toothless like we do atm, we need that. Same with Cuthbertson, he made some errors tonight but give him the freedom to offload, he offers far more threat.

been wondering what mclelland did at fev to have people wanting him starting ,perhaps was his level

See this is exactly what i said would happen when the kids get a chance, he's had 2 games and hes been written off by some.

What's a concern is that many (agar included) didn't seem to draw a link between the Giant game and the saints game and now tonight, as if saints was a one off.

Funnily enough the wigan fans feel exactly the same about Lam if you read their board.

At least we have a nice stadium. When fans are allowed back and football is back. Gawwy will be able to see a lot of it because a load will be back at elland road

He’s had 2 games FFS, one in a game where we were beaten in every aspect of the game.

Fully agreed, how can anyone expect a kid with a handful of games under his belt lead the team around the park like a seasoned pro. It’s not the kids that are letting us down...

what;s he done to write himself in....

Bit harsh.He's come into team playing crap.He needs more games.

Bielsa got Leeds to 21st. Agar wont take us that low.

Absolutely 100% spot on.

McClelland is way down the list for any criticism. I wish though that Barrie Mc could pronounce his name, NOT MCLENNAN BARRIE!

Thought we competed well for large parts...But the individual errors kill us time and time again, its unbelievable how many basic mistakes this side makes. Cuthbertson alone with 3 howlers to flatten any momentum we had after scoring to go within one score.

Yep especially at half needs a run of games to judge him, he was better than last week and needs time to build combinations etc, thought he was well down the list of those to criticise and the alternative is lui who is unfit, let’s give him a chance

Not quite how it works.

Start with the front row, once that’s set then you have something to build from. It’s no coincidence that Saints are usually up there as they have the best front row, and that gets the team going forward.

I wrote him off before these 2 games to be fair. He's only in because Lui's injured. Moon did ok as a running half and I think Dwyer could do that. At least he offers a threat. McLelland doesn't. He might look satisfactory against Salford, but that's it. He was signed as a project and isn't cutting it.

Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable.