No-one is disparaging the reaction of Walker after the initial contact (or any of the Cas player either), most players would have reacted in exactly the same way.

Although it has been discussed to some length on this thread I don’t have an issue with the tackle itself although it’s execution from Walker could have been a little more controlled and Burgess’ positioning a little better.

The issue here is the reaction and continual chanting from a set of fans that have already proven this season that they have little or no regard for opposition players, decency or the law.

This is now what we have come to expect from the Cas ‘faithful’ and TBH should come as no surprise.

Yes back slapping and high fives etc for a good try saving tackle or forcing an error is now part of the modern game but not jumping and celebrating when there was clearly a very huge problem with Burgess.

But to be fair I will watch the incident again in the cold light of day so to speak.

Cas did some poor tackling yesterday, but even IF Burgess had won the collision and not been knocked out he was not in the open, Westerman and Sargent were about two feet away. IMO, had he not been knocked out his momentum would have been halted enough for those two to wrap him up. Job done as far as Walker was concerned and we will never know if LB lost the ball due to the impact of tackle or clash of heads.

Players often do that and JW was no different. The example earlier with Vinnie Anderson on Tickle, Anderson is leant over Tickle shouting in his face while Tickle is struggling to move. What about Guttenbeil on Catic when Awen is practically sat on top of Catic and even slaps him as he shouts in his face. It happens lots and either you watch the game or are just a keyboard warrior. Our game is full of these hits and players celebrating them, so will people please stop making something out of nothing. Anyone who still believe this isn't the case, go spend half an hour on youtube.

NO ONE is being a keyboard warrior



Burgess was clearly badly injured almost immediately and I have always stated here [size=200IMHO[/size THIS PARTICULAR celebration was out of order.

Continual chanting being "one Johnny Walker" for about 30 seconds?

or the little back & forth with Senior? which Ryan Hall even joined in with?

It's a completely different story when it's Leeds fans chanting & cheering when players are down injured isn't it? and don't say it doesn't happen because every time someone gets injured at Headingley on TV you can clearly hear the cheering, chanting of the player who caused the injuries names then some times booing the injured player off the pitch.




So in your opinion, celebrating a big hit, then stopping when he realised Burgess was injured, is wrong?

Does that mean we should ban players celebrating from now on then?

The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.

So now a young player isn't allowed to show commitment for 80 minutes and put in a big hit? the excuses get worse



He clearly wasn't trying to put him in hospital either, like you've quite wrongly said, he was merely trying to make an impression to the coaches and force a knock on, which he did. It wasn't a clear intent to do damage bloody hell you'll try find a purpose for an accidental head collision

if Walker came off second best, you'd have all been laughing at how he made himself look stupid etc etc, but because it happened to one of your lot you complain about it being a disgraceful act, when it was a freak injury that wouldn't happen 99/100, just like Richard Owen's injury at Bradford - it happens, deal with it.

And how was the celebration shocking? he stopped as soon as he saw Burgess was injured




Seriously, what is agreeable about ANYTHING he put? if you think a kid trying to put a big hit in and show effort is disgraceful etc I'd suggest RL is too rough a sport for you to be watching, go watch Football if you think he was being too rough for your precious little mind.

Because its a morale booster to put a big hit in. At least shows you put some effort in.

Bingo.

The poor me attitude the Leeds fans have over this is quite amusing, they've made a big deal out of an accident and a kid showing some effort and commitment, he's only played a handful of games, of course he's going to want to make an impression, not to mention the big hit seems to be his "thing", the Burgess twins in the friendlies both got big hit by him, James Stosic did last year (and he went back further then he went forward Walker hit him that hard).

The most serious injury I’ve seen in recent times at Headingley was when Senior tacked Chev Walker and his bone was sticking through the side of his leg.

I suggest you watch the reaction of the South Stand that night.

You dont read what is written do you. review back a few posts. No one has condemned the hit or the accidental contact and we all accept the nature of the game involves the possibilty of serious injury... as we keep saying they are all big boys.

What is in question here was the mindset of the Cas players and the OTT celebrations afterwards in this particular instance.

The quote I highlighted was saying the hit was disgraceful and he was intentionally trying to harm Burgess, which is totally wrong, and you agree with.

There was NOTHING wrong with what he did after either, I've just watched it again, he bounces up and down fired up because he made a big hit and forced a knock on, look at him STOP as soon as he sees Burgess is seriously hurt, any player would react the same, and they do just watch next time a player puts in a big hit, you'll see them react in a similar way, Ryan Bailey does it every time too, so you can't complain about Walkers reaction when you applaud Bailey every time he does the same thing.

If you think that was over the top you need to watch more games pal



Nine times out of ten players react like that and the players didn't exactly carry it on after did they.

The fact it was Chev made all the difference. Pryce and Eastmond weren't afforded such generous applause when they suffered injuries at Headingley. Some double-standards on display here IMHO. It's unfortunate for Luke but I don't think the kid has anything to beat himself up about. (Well maybe the dodgy 'Barnet').

nice to see that most fans agree there was no intent to harm Burgess. And as previously said shows how tough Rugby (league) players are to take a photo of yourself just after having your brains scrambled. Good luck to Big Luke for a speedy recovery

NO I DONT





YES THERE IS IMHO





NO HE DOESNT





NO I DONT

whats done is done and the main thing is that luke burgess recovers from a very serious injury.

one question id like to ask is if a england player puts in a hit on lets say paul gallen or billy slater in the tri nations which resulted in the player been ko`d would you still think it to be out of order ?

also the fact that it was the 78th minute and cas were beaten bares no relevence whats so ever,a game lasts for 80 minutes walker is a young man who has a career ahead of him and he will have wanted to make an impression and im sure he did,its not the first time walker has put in such hits he laid out james stosic in a pre season friendly last year and also did the same to george burgess in the academy semi final last year,adrian morley has made a career out of tackles with the shoulder charge and personally i dont see a problem with it has its within the rules of the game.

I am only going to repeat this one more time coz I am begining to think either our friends done t` lane are having a wind up or they are thick.



to answer your questions in order

If the player was KO`d has you put it or injured NO I WOULDNT

I have repeatedly stated nothing wrong with the hit or the accidental contact by Graham at all as you state this is all within the rules of the game.

Jumping about and celebrating when a fellow pro is badly injured isnt OK in my book what ever side they are on

You're still twisting the incidents DoubleAlone. JW didn't jump and celebrate LB being unconscious and suffering a broken jaw. He jumped and celebrated the big hit, that is all. You are quite clearly taking something, twisting it on it's and then complaining over it like someone who is a bit daft and just wants to have a go at some other fans. You keep spouting on about your opinion, but base those opinions on facts and those facts from the sequence of events that actually happened not the ones you are making up to suit a pathetic argument.

Remember, our game is a massive high impact high speed contact sport. Players go out and bash each other every weekend and for that 80 minutes they are enemies. Those guys still have the respect though to finish the game, shake hands and have a beer with each other, even if the game explodes into a mass brawl or one of them brakes a jaw in a collision. This is what separates our game (among a few other great things) from football, a sport full of namby pamby, whinging cry babies. Which type of fan are you?

The thing is it wasn't the "big hit" that floored Burgess, it was the clash of heads. Not sure why the Cas player felt the need to celebrate this, fair enough if he'd sat him on his through a good shoulder charge rather than accidental contact. Without the clash of heads it looked like they would have just bounced off each other, you wouldn't celebrate that as a forward.

Have you got any examples of this?
I have to concur that I haven't been to Headingley as much as I used to in recent years, but I am still at a loss to recall a time where an injured player has left the pitch to an echo of boos.

I will tell you what I am....I am not a patronising prat who is either to stupid to read or must therefore be completely illiterate.

Our game is the best in the world IMHO played by some of the best athletes in the world at the SL level who mostly have well earned respect of their fellow pros.

I dot need you to tell me what the game is or isnt thank you very much.

NO one as complainerd about the injury to JP it was a complete accident has was the one suffered by Burgess.

I will tell you this though the Cas players and in particular JW are pathetic if they put as much effort into their HITS and CELEBRATIONS in the first 2 minutes instead of the last 2 minutes they might have earned some little respect.

Oh! so that's what it's about

you don't like the fact they didn't lay down for you and put some effort in for 80 minutes, a young lad just starting his career makes an impression, you call him a disgrace, the only disgrace here is you - if you don't like the fact he was trying with 2 minutes left in the game, don't watch the sport then if it offends you so much



And you keep referring to the celebration - you watch every time there's a big hit or a forced knock on there's ALWAYS a celebration, EVERY team does it whether it's the first or last minute, give over with your agenda, you just look stupid.

Great hit that went slightly wrong, it deserved the celebration, and he rightly stopped when he saw the injury - nothing wrong at all, stop taking offence to something that you've blown out of proportion