Well, I'm glad we got that sorted.

If you think this is an over reaction I can only imagine your head would explode if Danny McGuire had offered the same gesture to the Wigan fans.

Anybody got a picture of the incident?

I'd like to ask Sam to explain to my little boy what it means.............

I think Freud called that projection. You realise, surely, that the internet is awash with people who like to see themselves as some sort of intellectual heavyweight and rely upon bluster and insults to detract from their failure to win an argument? It's just that you're acting like this is the first time anybody has come onto a forum with the "look at me I'm all clever and stuff" facade.


Aw bless, you're trying to insult me.


I see where you're going with this. The fans who abused Tomkins are vindicated by his having done something more harmful (in your opinion); thus if I agree that what Tomkins did was the most harmful of the two then any point I make or have made to the effect that fans who are worried about harm being done to the game should not merely be concerned with this particular harm and that being so might suggest their real motive was the further vilification of Sam Tomkins rather than the "good of the game" would somehow be moot. Is that it?


Ooookay...

Ha, alluding to faux intellectualism, whilst making random and irrelevant references to Freud. Now, whilst we're having lessons that is irony.

No, I wasn't trying, I actually did insult you. Do try and keep up now.

In short .......................No..................He simply committed an act that was highly damaging to his own and the games reputation. Far more damaging than a bit of booing. Christ, Shaun Edwards and Andy Gregory got far worse than that at Headingley and I never saw them flip the Southstand the finger. More importantly, they knew it was the Leeds fans doing it because, they were playing Leeds at home. Tomkins has no idea who was booing him.

I note that you are now ignoring the fact that you tried to justify his actions, which why this little spat started. Consequently, I can't really be d any more. Tudaluh, kn0b jockey.

Translation: "you've found me out and I shall now scuttle off."

Tara then.

Strangely enough I watched the game with two new spectators of the game and they thoroughly enjoyed it. They didn't notice any V signs or the linesman abuse. They both enjoyed a good competitive final.

My own feelings notwithstanding I would suggest that most viewers who watched the game without an anti ST agenda from the outset would have enjoyed it go the same vein.

Nobody died. Nobody got pregnant and everyone gets to go to work on Tuesday. Except McF.

The cup has red and white ribbons on it. Suck it up and move on.

Am sure you can find one somewhere.

How did you get round the problem of him see Keith Senior kick Joel Tomkins in the head the last time we met in the 2010 Challenge Cup tie, or, did you merely produce the rose tinted spectacles for such an act of violence?

You simply explain the meaning of the words accidental and careless.

We could do the same for you as well, or possibly even highlight the gormlessness of using as an example the most penalised player of last season, who himself toe ended a grounded player......

Once again; you are trying to compare an on-field misdemeanour aimed towards a fellow player to an act of complete disrespect aimed towards the opposition support.

The two fall into two separate categories and as such it should be treated differently. It's people like that are either deliberately trying to confuse these two categories of incidents in some vain attempt to defend Rat Boy or you haven’t the intelligence to tell the difference yourself.

I actually think using the booing as an excuse for his behaviour is a bit of a red herring.

Anyone who takes to the field as a professional sportsperson - especially a player who engages in such on-field antics as ST - in an arena where there are paying fans runs the risk of being booed. If a player cannot deal with it I would hazard a suggestion that he's maybe not in the correct profession.

What the Wigan club need to do is take a long, hard look at the attitude of their best player and ask themselves whether this is the kind of behaviour they want a representative of their club to be partaking in.

The thing is, the fact that ST is an exceptional player is never made without the caveat of "but he's a prat" or "his attitude sucks" and that is not good for the game at all.

Sticking fingers up at the fans is stupid and arrogant and warrants a fine. Abuse of referees and touch judges does warrant a ban and I would hope the RFL would at least have the gumption to make an example of ST given his behaviour was in one of the largest matches in the RL calendar

Gs hard not to be anti Tomkins. The little runt is a horrible person. He's a cheat and shows lack of respect towards opposition players and fans.

Every play the ball he's involved in is a mess( even when he has the ball) because if his holding down of the attacker or when he's trying to win a Lin by holding the defensive player in order to win a pen.

Wigan fans have this silly notion that everyone boos and hates him because he's a good player ( which is) but most hate him ashes horrible little runt on the pitch.

Ok. One last time. My friend Christian was killed in the Bali nightclub bombing. Do I hate the man responsible for that attack? Friends of mine were killed in Northern Ireland and Iraq. Do I carry hate for them. No I do not. Because hate destroys only the person who carries it. Hate makes you blind to reason, blind to the good that men do.

I don't mean to lecture but some people really do carry hate for this man. And it shows. The thing is. He is immune to it. But it's poisoning you. And that is sad. It's a game.

Quote ="Rufus_Rhino"Anybody got a picture of the incident? I'd like to ask Sam to explain to my little boy what it means.............'" Hope this helps www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... -fans.html Love the way they use the word alleged in the report alongside the photo!

Quote ="Rufus_Rhino"Anybody got a picture of the incident? I'd like to ask Sam to explain to my little boy what it means.............'" Hope this helps www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... -fans.html Love the way they use the word alleged in the report alongside the photo!

If the rfl are consistent then look at this disciplianry panel ajudication ON/704/09.Consistancy that's all that is asked.

ON/704/09 relates to Senior getting a 1 match ban for throwing punches. How does this relate to a request for consistency or am I missing something?

i would say that is mearly stating facts ?

he [uIS[/u young

he [uDOES[/u get dogs abuse

it [uWAS[/u petulant behaviour

there is still some drivvle being spouted about this , for example , some are now saying they want a ban for screaming at the officials ! make your minds up !!

if this was the case , james graham would never play again !!!!!

but there is the odd shining light of common sense poking through the darkness , some of it from the leeds fans , these people surely should be mortified by sams terrible act ????

i for one wouldnt be happy , but i also wouldnt be calling for the death penalty !

and here we have a great example of the one eyedness (is that a word?)

ban sam for screaming at the ref , james graham beware !!!!

did anybody see the semi final or last years grand final ??? he should be shot at dawn for those !!!!

^^^ a glimmer of hope !!!

thats 2 of um !!

anyone seen the tweets from Mark Riddell? sickening imo.

Poor Ryan. He doesn't deserve any of that ......

Your missing something


If you read the post i'm talking about consistancy regarding the disciplinary adjudication.Isn't Tomkins a high profile player, was it not on National TV, were there young fans watching?

If Ratboy is found guilty and disciplined by the RFL ,I wonder if his club should also fine him for bringing their good name into disrepute?