Where have I intimated this?


Is that your dummy on the floor? And why would anyone be interested in Sadler's forums?

Isn't it Leeds turn to beat Wigan in any Final of any kind?

Believe it or not Wigan have not lost a home CC tie for 28 years.

The last time we did it was in a quarter final, when we were the holders - to Cas. There's an omen.

Fantastic home record in the CC that is.

Leeds by contrast have been knocked out of the CC at home on 7 occasions in the last 28 years in 1987, 1989, 1990 (Preliminary Round!), 1992, 1998, 2007 and 2009.

Expanding that period to include all eighteen completed seasons of the SL Era - 1996 to 2013

Making it to the Semi-Final:

13 - =#0000BFLeeds, St Helens
9 - Wigan
7 - Bradford, Warrington
4 - Huddersfield, Hull
3 - Castleford, London
2 - Les Catalans, Salford
1 - Hull KR, Sheffield, Toulouse, Wakefield, Widnes

Converting Semi-Finals into Finals:

8 - St Helens
7 - =#0000BFLeeds
5 - Bradford, Wigan
3 - Hull, Warrington
2 - Huddersfield
1 - Les Catalans, London, Sheffield

Converting Finals in to Cup Winners:

7 - St Helens
3 - Warrington, Wigan
2 - Bradford
1 - Hull, =#0000BFLeeds, Sheffield

Nice to see my in capital wrote tweet in reaction to Leeds fans moaning before the draw has been taken as serious by Mr Eve

Standards slipping shag

I wonder if the Leeds v Leigh game will actually get discussed on this Leeds v Leigh thread !!!


It's William's fault I guess.

Amazing what confidence you get by scraping past fellow Championship side Featherstone in the last round. St Helens 9 match unbeaten start to the season was always eclipsed by Leigh Centurions unbeaten start against quality opposition like Batley and Swinton...

You sound worried

You ought to feel privileged that I selected your quote out of all the dross in circulation on social media in the immediate aftermath of the CC draw having taken place



Five years wasn't it according to you? Since Leeds had drawn non-SL opposition until someone piped up that Leeds had in fact drawn Leigh as recently as 2012. Then there's the not-insignificant matter of absolutely nobody making any reference to drawing non-SL opposition Blackpool at home in 2010. Prior to that there was Celtic Crusaders in 2008, Workington in 2007, Rochdale and Leigh in 2006, Pia in 2005, Workington again in 2004, Whitehaven in 2003, Swinton in 2001, Fev and Dewsbury in 2000, Widnes in 1999, Whitehaven, Dewsbury and Fev in 1997.

Given the shedload of CC draws Leeds had been randomly gifted against non-SL opposition in the period immediately prior to the last 4 seasons (NOT 5 and NOT including Leigh in 2012 of course), it's no surprise some Leeds fans may feel short-changed as those easy peasy non-SL opposition CC draws of recent yesteryear have dried up somewhat to be replaced by draws against mainly Whipping Boy SL Rabble. I mean how tough is it to be drawn against teams like Wakey, Cas, Salford, London/Quins and Crusaders instead?

Then there's the small matter of all those favourable home draws that Leeds have been randomly gifted but don't quite fit in with an agenda which likes to paint an unfortunate run of bad luck with reference to CC draws. I would expect Leeds fans on the terraces and across all social media to start screaming FOUL should the club be randomly drawn away from home in the CC let's say 2 or perhaps 3 times in succession!

I'd have been well impressed if you had sarcastically posted 'FINALLY, A LEEDS HOME DRAW!' instead

This is just like shooting fish in a barrel.
When will people ever learn?

Looking forward to seeing this Ryan Brierley play - certainly looks a prospect.

[uCC Draw Comparison (last decade)[/u
[uClub... Played.. H... A.. %Home[/u
Leeds... 26..... 18... 8.... 69%
Wigan... 29..... 13... 16... 45%
Saints.... 27.... 17... 10.... 63%

[uCC Draw Comparison (Entire SL-era)[/u
[uClub... Played.. H... A.. %Home[/u
Leeds... 50..... 30... 20.... 60%
Wigan... 49..... 21... 28... 43%
Saints.... 52.... 25... 27.... 48%

[uKey:[/u
Played = No of CC games played up to and including Quarter Finals
H = Number of home draws
A = Number of away draws
%Home = % of CC games drawn at home

So we are "lucky" in the CC draws. GREAT

looks a great prospect and one of the spin offs of drawing non SL sides in the CC.

When else are we going to meet them

My name IS spelt correctly

, im a Napoli Caroli , whereas the great man Charlie Cairoli was a Milan Cairoli there is a big difference

my name being Charles Eusabio Peroni Caroli

there was a Caroli at the Alamo , Rorkes Drift , and will be one at Headingley for the Cup .

St Helens CC draw record during the SL era is an excellent example of randomness in action.

During the entire SL-era (1996-2014) they have been drawn at home in the CC 25 times out of 52 or 48% of the time. This figure can be broken down as follows...

(1996-2004)... Home Draws=06, Away Draws=17
(2004-2011)... Home Draws=19, Away Draws=04
(2012-2014)... Home Draws=00, Away Draws=06
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(1996-2014)... Home Draws=25, Away Draws=27
-----------------------------------------------------------

Saints had a run of 13 randomly selected home draws in succession between 2004 and 2008.
Saints are currently on a run of 6 randomly selected away draws in succession since 2012.

According to the ted majority, Leeds are not "lucky" in the draw hence the thread

but clearly you have just disproved that

just ask any Wigan Cas Saints fans

When have the ted majority in here ever taken any notice of what I've proved or disproved? That's why they are ts

only the ts would take any notice of you..

Your tery in this instance is duly noted

Who just happen to be the exact three teams that have beaten Leeds at Headingley in the Challenge Cup during the SL Era within William's excellent piece of research, which should put this unlucky in the cup theory to bed but you can bet that it won't.

Did anybody actually used the word "unlucky" or have the usual misery morons made that up for their argument?

Thought so.

Whinge, Whine, Moan... Unlucky Leeds, Jammy Wigan... etc.