someone tried to convince me the other day that Bailey is rubbish & doesnt drive the ball the well and on Monday he didnt do anything....



thanks for that stat to back up my point that Bailey is a very valuable asset to our side

You think those stats back up your argument?

Bailey's had some good games this season tha would back up your argument, Monday's was not one on them on those stats.

want to read again where I say "Monday he didnt do anything"

You said somebody tried to convince you that Bailey was not a valuable asset to the team. Then said those stats back up your argument that he is.

Those stats do not back up your argument. There is plenty of games this season that do back up your argument, but Monday's is not one of them based on those stats.

You could argue that Bailey's average metres per yard was vastly improved on Monday.

So that backs up the Ginger One's point of him taking the ball up well.

That average was nicely boosted by his nice bust and break down the middle of the park.

The Ginger One's point was that those stats back up that Bailey is a valuable asset to the side.

Those stats actually give completely the oppossite impression. The missed tackles are not an asset, especially when in consideration of comparing the amount of tackles he made to one of the other props.

You also have to remember that Bailey's first stint was at a time where the whole of the Leeds side were going through the Catalans defence like a knife through butter. Easy yards to be made.

Other games this season would back up the point the Ginger one was making, not Monday.

.........in your opinion.

In my opinion watching his performances this season fully back up the Ginger Ones point. I don't need stats for that.

With one thing and another he's seems to be starting far more games (rather than on being on the bench) and is enjoying that reposnsibilty and is busy as in defence.

I thought we were talking about Monday?

Other games we are in agreement. But Monday? What are you arguing about?

Your whole post there is contradicted by Monday.

Leuluai getting outworked by the other three props again I see.

The Ginger One was talking about Monday and Bailey in general.

He said:

"Bailey is rubbish & doesnt drive the ball the well "

So as he was talking generally - I have opened my opinion to this also.

Free your mind!!!! Look beyond Monday and see the bigger picture which we are on agreement on!!

The Ginger One said



This was said referring to the stats from Monday. What Bailey's done previous to Monday is not backed up by Monday's stats. On Monday he was far far removed from a valuable asset, with stats that failed to back up the Ginger ones point.

But did he really only take 4 drives? sounds a bit suspect to me.

And are they 'drives' or 'waddles'

????

Has he done enough to retain his place for Sunday in your opinion?

Of course he has. As I said earlier, he's had much better games this season. I was only referring to Monday and the use of the stats.

Put's in another defensive effort on Sunday though like Monday, then I will question his starting position.

If he busts down the middle again on Sunday I will be asking the RFL to drug test him!!





On a serious note he does seem to be carrying some form of lower back injury/knock.

He spent every opportunity against Fartown away trying to stretch it out, then he seemed to be doing the same thing on the side line against the Frogs on Monday late on in the game. Maybe a game off would actually benefit him. But against a big Hull pack he may have await another week at least. We can't lose one of the on form props of SL!!!

You're right. Thinking back they have got it wrong.

It was probably only two.

Are you saying Loz has taken more drives than Kirke in Perpignan.

Ryan Bailey's stats have been very poor all season imo. He works pretty hard in defence but his attack is really poor.

As it's Hull next up I will compare him with what Hull's props have done.

Avarage metres per game:

Mark O'Meley: 117.1
Lee Radford: 96.2
Ewan Dowes: 79.3
Peter Cusack: 70.4
Sam Moa: 65.6 (bare in mind he only plays in short bursts and avarages 8 carries per game)
Ryan Bailey: 64.1


Avarage carries per game:

Mark O'Meley: 16.2
Lee Radford : 14.3
Ewan Dowes: 11.7
Peter Cusack: 11.6
Ryan Bailey: 9.5
Sam Moa: 8


Avarage metres per carry:

Sam Moa: 8.2
Mark O'Meley: 7.2
Ewan Dowes: 6.77
Ryan Bailey: 6.74
Lee Radford: 6.72
Peter Cusack: 6.07

So poor work rate in attack, and not all that much impact either.

So to look at the attack in more detail, how does he fair in offloads and tackle busts?

Also what about his defence?

Does that matter for anything?

I bet you love Jamie Thackary. And I notice he's white. Interesting.

Is Sam Moa white?

Skin colour is is irrelevant to me.

Why's it a big deal for you???

Don't bother. I looked at that myself, and Bailey comes nowhere near to ANY of the Hull props stat wise. I had hoped to come back at him with something.

Bailey should not be compared to O'Meley as that is Peacocks job. Good job really as O'Meley beats Bailey hands down in every facet of the stats.

So then I looked at Dowes as more likely comparison. Unfortunately, pretty much same again.

When did I say it was a big deal?