Not really, we were poor with ball in hand that night. Obviously the conditions were bad but we still dropped a lot of ball.

Last decent performance was 2008 Grand Final. Would desagree with previous post. I thought defensively we were at our best in the first quarter of 2008 season under McClellan. i also think when we put things together we are a better attacking team under him also.

guys, you're performing well this season your top of the table! maybe 'performances' havent been high this season (as T.S does concertrate on performance a lot) but game plan maybe has been. Perhaps your just noticing differences between smiths and blueys game plans. performances can't be that bad considering your position on the table. good luck in the playoffs guys!

Under who?

Woe another moaning leeds fans thread, thats shocked me.

Who's moaning?



Just stating when we last played to our full potential



Im not bothered if we are crap and still manage to top the table

I'm happy for the club, but not happy for the state of the game.

TBF iv been bored of the league in general this year and cant remember the last time I watched a full game on Sky that didnt involve Leeds. There have been a few decent 1's but in general the way the game has been controlled has killed it for me.

I'm concerned about the internationals at the end of the year. The top 2 clubs seem to have gone backwards compared to last year and whilst other clubs have made advances, individual players and in particular English players from these clubs have not done enough to suggest that we could put together a better performance than last years World Cup.

Is it me or has it been a re-occuring theme just lately on how bleeding great Tony Smith is??

Worked wonders in his time with us and good luck to him but does every thread have to include him???

No mention of TS by me. I opined (from an England point of view) that the two clubs who provided most of the players weren't playing as well as last year anfd that other clubs whilst having closed the gap were closer to players that weren't playing as well as last year. No matter who the oach of Leeds, St Helens, England or the other clubs are players standards, appear to me, to be lower than last year and this is a problem for the end of season international series.

Don't think we were shocking, we just couldn't get the ball. Although we did drop it once or twice. We weathered the storm and ran out very comfortable winners

England will struggle this year again, the competition lacks any sort of intensity and there isnt even the "raising the game" element as none of the league fixtures matter anymore - dont forget england have a terrible coach as well

Why do league fixtures matter in Aus?

Huddersfeild and Harlequins away in my opinion.

last time we were at our best was in the first part of last season performances like hullfc away spring to mind

Actually I will agree with this

I thought we were at our best against Cas personally.

Some of the rugby was scintillating.

Still, I am sure moaning whinos will dismiss it for some reason or another.

i think we are selecting vintage performances i agree with what you said about the Cas game too.
these performances were of a very high calibre only great sides like leeds and maybe saints can produce

i agree.those who say cas were rubbish do us a disservice. we made them look rubbish.we were supurb

I wasnt there so can only comment on the games I have seen but watching the extended highlights on SLTV Cas' defence was the worst I have seen from a SL team.

wrong. we exposed the gaps by picking out the weak defenders and with great dummy runners,by running great lines and some supurb passing and handling

Depends what is meant by "best". I guess this team isn't the same as previous years so the best for this team will be different to the best for a team containing the likes of Gareth Ellis, Scruton etc. I'd say we have played at our best for patches of games - a little like everyone else does, and probably for most of the 80 minutes against Cas (unfortunately for them).
It's a little odd the way we started the year defending really well, but not really free flowing in attack, then as the year has progressed our games have turned into shoot-outs. It's the old story of getting the whole game - attack and defence - to fire all at once. It's not easy for any team and the opposition are overall a bit better this year making it more difficult.
Maybe we can't play better than we have already, but if we could combine that early season defensive discipline with the improved attacking play we've shown (especially now Smith and Donald are looking dangerous on the right - and Webb seems to have found his try scoring touch again), we will be very hard to beat. But that's a very big "if".

In the 70s..

True, but they did give up in the 2nd half, which Leeds pounced on superbly.

They should never had given up. Their heads went.