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| Quote ="Eurob0y"You can tell they are from Hull, with them trying to steal the poor blokes shirt'"
Er, they are both from Normanton actually.
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| It does seem a little lenient.
Also, with clear CCTV evidence, why nearly a year and a half to get resolved?
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| If you seriously want to know what goes on in a magistrates head when he/she considers sentencing then you may want to have a look at [url=http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/magistrates_court_sentencing_guidelines_update.pdfThe Magistrates Sentencing Guidelines[/url and in particular pages 26 to 28 which cover ABH and all of the mitigating circumstances which have to be taken into account.
Then go ahead have a Daily Mail rant.
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Surely this sends a message out that it is OK to kick a man half senseless - what if the guy had died or suffered brain injury should he have dealt with in the same way - his actions could have been identical but with a different result?
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No he would have been dealt with a more punitive charge and punishment.
Thats how it works, read the guidelines.
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Surely this sends a message out that it is OK to kick a man half senseless no it doesn't, he wasn't commended for his actions, he recieved a suspended term of imprisonment with a requirement to complete a significant number of hours of unpaid work - what if the guy had died or suffered brain injury should he have dealt with in the same way you didn't think before you typed that, did you? If either of those outcomes had arisen the charges would have been just a tad different - his actions could have been identical but with a different result?
On the field Cockayne appears indisciplines and hot-headed this is further evidence of a man incapable of controlling his temper Thank you Dr Eccleshill - do you think playing an agressive sport is going to help him control that?'"
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| This is appauling, just what exactly do you have to do to get sent down these days. Makes no wonder that there are incidents like this in most towns up and down the country when the "punishment" is so ridiculous.
For those that say there are not enough available spaces in prison to cater for criminals like this, what is stopping us building some more prisons, and employing people in the process?
There is so little discipline in society these days, and it's not going to change until punishments fit crimes and there are effective deterrents in place.
Disgraceful.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"This is appauling, just what exactly do you have to do to get sent down these days. '"
FFS
Click the link at the top of the page and do some research for yourself !!!
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| it wasn't there when I started typing....
Thanks.
Also if that's what the rules say it must be right, couldn't possibly have the rules wrong could we?
How would you feel if it was one of your kids on the receiving end of that sort of criminal incident?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"This is appauling, just what exactly do you have to do to get sent down these days. Makes no wonder that there are incidents like this in most towns up and down the country when the "punishment" is so ridiculous.
For those that say there are not enough available spaces in prison to cater for criminals like this, what is stopping us building some more prisons, and employing people in the process?
There is so little discipline in society these days, and it's not going to change until punishments fit crimes and there are effective deterrents in place.
Disgraceful.'"
If you get down to your local Crown Court next week I'm sure there will be more than enough lengthy custodial sentences handed down to keep you happy.
P.S. if you ask really nicely I'll tell you which Judges to look out for
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| Quote ="(Broken) Time Bandit"'"
The intent was the same fortunately for the victim he suffered no long term effects - looking at the footage Cockayne intended to inflict as much pain as possible.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"If you seriously want to know what goes on in a magistrates head when he/she considers sentencing then you may want to have a look at [url=http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/magistrates_court_sentencing_guidelines_update.pdfThe Magistrates Sentencing Guidelines[/url and in particular pages 26 to 28 which cover ABH and all of the mitigating circumstances which have to be taken into account.
Then go ahead have a Daily Mail rant.'"
OK so reading that, I'm assuming he should have been sentenced in the highest category, bearing in mind he used a weapon (a shod foot - section c) and the risk of harm was high through kicking a prone victim to a vulnerable part of the body - section cii).
From that looking at the sentencing I would guess that there was provocation and a guilty plea both of which would lead to the lower sentence received.
Anywhere near?
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| It doesnt look nice and just looking at that you would say he deserves time (there is no excuse for kicking a man in the head). However, we do not have all the details and I'm sure the judge took EVERYTHING into consideration before making his/her judgement.
I love the bar room lawyers on here.
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| Anyone know what caused Cockayne & mate to carry out such an attack. Not read into it all fully but have they mentioned his past & how he served in Iraq?
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| Quote ="(Broken) Time Bandit"If you get down to your local Crown Court next week I'm sure there will be more than enough lengthy custodial sentences handed down to keep you happy.
P.S. if you ask really nicely I'll tell you which Judges to look out for
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That would be great, do you have a webcam link to Phuket, cos I'll be there next week.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"
How would you feel if it was one of your kids on the receiving end of that sort of criminal incident?'"
Probably ready to hire some thugs to do the same to him.
Which is one good reason why the law is best left to professionals.
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| Quote ="Dirty Pretty Thing"OK so reading that, I'm assuming he should have been sentenced in the highest category, bearing in mind he used a weapon (a shod foot - section c) and the risk of harm was high through kicking a prone victim to a vulnerable part of the body - section cii).
From that looking at the sentencing I would guess that there was provocation and a guilty plea both of which would lead to the lower sentence received.
Anywhere near?'"
You might guess so, so might I.
The court will have heard all of the facts though.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Probably ready to hire some thugs to do the same to him.
Which is one good reason why the law is best left to professionals.'"
Like G1 you mean. Are you really really sure....
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Like G1 you mean. Are you really really sure....
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OK, OK, so there are exceptions to every rule...
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| Quote ="King Monkey"It doesnt look nice and just looking at that you would say he deserves time (there is no excuse for kicking a man in the head). However, we do not have all the details and I'm sure the judge took EVERYTHING into consideration before making his/her judgement.
I love the bar room lawyers on here.'"
Spot on, there are a number of very important elements to this case (as with all cases) that have not appeared in the media. Matters of legal principle etc are one thing on public forums, but discussion of individual cases is always fraught with difficulty because of a lack of [iaccurate [/iinformation.
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Surely this sends a message out that it is OK to kick a man half senseless -'"
He has been found guilty, given community service, fined, and a suspended prision sentence - any more bother and he's inside with no job and no future. What it says to me is that if you get in an argument in a pub after a few beers and you beat the crap out of a guy afterwards then you will be in serious trouble. I don't know what you call serious trouble, but I would think I was in serious trouble.
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| Quote ="Longun"I've always maintained that there are certain incidents, that if they happened to my family, would result in me taking the law into my own hands, and I'm probably not the only one.
Hopefully the next RL players to be sentenced are dealt with more severley, and a prison sentence is deemed suitable.'"
I wouldn't bank on it , i am expecting a community service order for the pair <names have been ommited to protect the innocent> of no more than 100 hours, they will be informed as to how lucky they are not to have received a custodial sentence, and told not to do it again
Meanwhile spending 100 hours visiting local schools etc will really teach them a lesson!
Don't SL players do this kind of thing
voluntarily anyway through their clubs ?
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| I wonder how his would sit with the Home Secretary's "court of public opinion".....
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| Quote ="Longun"I've always maintained that there are certain incidents, that if they happened to my family, would result in me taking the law into my own hands, and I'm probably not the only one.
Hopefully the next RL players to be sentenced are dealt with more severley, and a prison sentence is deemed suitable.'"
Absolutely. I think most folk have reached that conclusion at some time in their lives.
It's wrong, but perfectly understandable if you watch that video, and imagine that it could have been your son who was the victim of this thug's attack.
Personally, I'm happy to let the Magistrates judge what is an apropiate sentence. I'm sure there are many times when they are constrained in what they can do, and are as unhappy with the Tariff as the rest of us.
Cockayne I suspect, will no doubt get his just desserts in the fullness of time.
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Being slightly cynical here but its a lot easier for Cas to take that moral stance with someone who is clearly not an integral part of their squad. He's only played once for reserves this season, would be interesting to see their reaction to a more senior player.
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Being slightly cynical here but its a lot easier for Cas to take that moral stance with someone who is clearly not an integral part of their squad. He's only played once for reserves this season, would be interesting to see their reaction to a more senior player.
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