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Awful display yet we nearly won.
Why do the commentators and others on here rave about Walker who i thought once again was at fault for a number of their trys, did little on attack and watched Vauvei put the ball over the line when he should have anticipated what could happen.
I could also list the majority of the team who were not up to SL standard.
Both teams played to their position bottom 4

Defence is all about attitude.

3 games, 22, 32 and 38 conceded. Says everything about this side at the moment.

A significant number of this squad need shipping out come October as their attitude stinks.

The kid is 18, he will make mistakes, he has bags of potential but he is playing one of the most difficult positions behind a team with no desire to do the hard work, Walker is the least of our problems.

Cuthbertson wouldn't look out of place playing in the womens' team, never mind coaching it.

Cuthbo is a busted flush. He's done. I'll never get over us giving this guy a new 2yr deal

When we played Hull away, when they scored a last minute drop goal to win. They started their set on the half way line, all we needed was an effort in defence, 2 tackles later, there 10m from our line, infront of the sticks, they slotted the drop goal over and won the game. I had thoughts then that the attitude and quality of the squad was done.

It was a disgusting effort. A big clear out is required but I’ve no faith whatsoever that quality replacements will be brought in.

Im not sure we need the massive personnel changes that some are saying to get us back on track - we need a decent coach for a start.

Did Saints have a massive clearout, or Warrington or Catalan?

I do think Sinfield is a good appointment but we need a proper head coach which i think will happen and we’ll see a big change in attitude next year - if we stay up that is.

Have to agree there, he hasn't hit the heights of 2015 that first year but even then he was only able to do that really because JP on his own was 3/4 of the front row and allowed him to be that extra off loading dimension without having other burdens. When asked to become a front row leader he hasn't been able to step up but isn't alone in that regard.

Too many players in their 30's getting extensions now when they are little more than SL plodders at best its depressing. JJB, Ablett, Delaney would all be patted on the back and thanked for their service but moved on after this year for me.

The coach is the big thing i agree, but a massive phasing out has to be done.in this day and age it can't be done in one off season but over the next 2/3 years massive changes have to happen, many of that squad are either not good enough and never will be, or past it now.

It should have already happened or at least be 2/3 starting players down the line.

Oh I agree we need a phasing out and some new players in but realistically that isn’t going to happen for next year i agree a 2/3 year timeline is about right but just signing players alone won’t get us back on track, the culture looks like it needs refocusing and I think Sinfield can do that with a bit of time.

I really was hoping to scrape into the top 8, I think it would have made the transition a bit easier with some pressure off.

Not a lot (if any) improvement on the field since McDermott's sacking. In fact you could argue our defence has got worse.

I thought at the time (and more so now given post McDermott 'performances' that the timing of his sacking was odd.

if GH wasn't going to pull the trigger earlier, surely it would have been better timing at the end of this season?

Surely if you are going to sack a coach when we did, you do it in the knowledge you have a better candidate to come in immediately?

Whilst bringing Sir Kev in as Director of Rugby appeared a smart move, having Lowes as coach didn't and still doesn't

Lowes was sacked at Warrington and was coach when Bradford got relegated from SL. He was never the quality of coach to bring in when it was looking likely we'd be in the middle 8's dog fight

Surely, IF we had no Aussie coach lined up to take over immediately it would have made sense to stick with McDermott until a 'proper' successor could be found in the close season??

For all his faults McDermott had been a winner and has sailed the middle 8 ship before yet we dumped that for a bloke who has won nothing as a coach and someone who has never coached before and who previously said he had no coaching aspirations.

As the weeks go by the decision made by GH (more so the timing of it) is looking poor IMO

A campaign in the middle 8's was not something to put in the hands of a rookie coaching team like this

Oh, the irony.

Spot on.
Something i mentioned a few weeks back, we look a worse team since BM was sacked. We have beaten 2 championship teams and Widnes at home since Sinfield took over and look poorer than at any point in the season. McDermott's experience and history of getting teams to perform towards the end of the season would have been invaluable now.
We are in deep trouble and a win at Widnes is an absolute must now if we are to avoid the MPG.

I think people are in some sort of weird time zone if they think we are worse now than when McDermott left. Have we improved? Absolutely not to what we should have done. But let’s nit kid ourselves, we were on a massive downward slide with that chump in charge, he had totally lost the dressing room, and that is the problem that has not recovered. To think we would somehow be better off with him still here is just plain daft.

Most incredible stat from game. We missed 28 tackles, which is poor, although pretty much what we have been doing all year, and a massive improvement on a lot of games.

Hull KR however missed 48 tackles, and actually made 57 tackles less in the game, which is an utterly pathetic stat, and something we haven’t even lowered ourselves to yet. And yet we still couldn’t even beat that.

Our right edge of Briscoe, Ward, and Sutcliffe, were responsible for half of our missed tackles.

Peteru should certainly be starting games.

We lose games, and conceed the points we do simply because of our inability to manage a game. There is nobody there to do it. We have the ball, we make the breaks, we make the yardage, but we have absolutely no idea what to do with the ball, and at the end of sets. We kick it up, but no one attack’s it. Nobody is interested in setting something up and executing. As a result we give the ball away and are back on the back foot.

For some reason this club, and a number of fans, have this strange view that if you have been around in the team for years, then you are a leader. They are nit leaders, that is shown weekly, they have done what they have on the back of others. Leaders show much much more than these do in setting the right example. But with halfs who can not mix up a game along with this, you just become the predictable trash you see now.

Look at the Sutcliffe break who was backing up - its embarrassing

To be fair, that wasn’t an ordinary break, it was an interception, with the rest in the defensive line. More embarrassing on that one was that he couldn’t score, and didn’t even look like he had the confidence to.

However, your point is still right in the rest of game, as we actually made more clean breaks than Hull KR, but where was the support. The Ablett one a clearer example.

I don't understand why people think things will change because McDermott has gone. These players now have a culture instilled in them by McDermott i.e. sloppy training, poor adherence to conditioning and a culture where winning wasn't important as they would selected every week. You cannot simply put back 6/8 months of poor conditioning and mindset in 2 months.

It happens in soccer because even the best sides can be frustrated by a well organised defensive side - Look at Middlesborough on Friday - Pulis' whole footballing rationale is about conditioning and not conceding he hasn't got an attacking bone in his body - that simply doesn't happen in RL - the best side will win in the end in most cases.

they sacked Mac and wanted an immediate improvement and who do they appoint ? Lowes ? why ?

100% correct. Wrong decision by Hetherington and I pray we get away with it...

Neither can a turd be polished. We carry too many very, very ordinary players and have no-one who remotely approaches having star quality. We need a decent coach who, without input from Sinfield, is allowed to get on with the job of getting them to be the best they can be. Then start building by signing some quality.

i'm guessing they could see the slide and wanted to stop it. I agree lowes wasn't the man, although he is just the coach. sinfields been brought in to try and get off field standards back up to scratch.
touch and go if we make top 3 but massive changes needed if we do.
the malaise started under macdermotts reign and sals right, its hard get standards back quickly

I would agree but this side should be good enough to reach the top 8 - this squad is no worse than Wakey, Catalans, Hull - the fact it has delivered even on its potential has in part got to be down to the coach/conditioning