JJR should replace ablett, he was a stand out v wigan.

People criticised McDermott for not giving youth a chance,
after Hardaker's behaviour, McDermott gives Golding a chance to stake a claim
People complain that Golding isnt good enough at full back
Jack Walker gets a game and plays well
People complain that Golding comes back in and isnt as good as Walker
Golding plays appallingly in appalling team performance
McDermott recalls Walker
People complain that McDermott drops Golding for Walker.

Agree completely, JJR proved that he could handle the step up and deserves some game time.

EDIT: Just to add I also thought Ormondroyd had a decent game in the backrow against Wigan so it's not like we have no options other than Ablett and JJB.

so we are allowed to have competition at full back but nowhere else then.brilliant. then people wonder why complacency has set in

cant make it up can you.

fact is i think walker is a cracking player and prospect, but so was golding at the same age, golding had loads on niggley injuries and dont think he is more tyhan 905 fit

Of course we're allowed, but we don't. JJR is a decent shout based on his Wigan performance, but he was pretty poor for Bradford earlier this season as well.

The issue why do we have competition at FB but not competition in the back row - could it be McDermott has decided that the likes of JJB, Delanney and Ablett will be selected so no point having more competition.

It seems barmy to me to give two players specialists in one position long term contracts - if Walker is the solution what is Golding going to do for the next 4 years?

The equivalent at 2nd to Walker is Cameron Smith and he's been poor at Bradford. JJR did ok vs Wigan but in the context of the lineup and overall performance and didn't sound nothing special at Bradford earlier. He tried dropping Briscoe for Handley but the latter didn't do well enough.

What a rediculous thing to say. Of course we are allowed. But with garbutt, Galloway and ferres injured, josh Walters useless, your left with ormandroyd, baldwinson, smith, oledski and JJR, who have 25 super league appearances between them, the fact is there ISNT competition for places.

I can't think of anyone on here who has said you're not allowed that competition, in fact I'd say everyone here would indeed want that.

With regards to walker and Golding, they're both young, fighting for one position. Golding is hardly an established first teamed himself. And walker has showed recently his form has been very good and was perhaps unlucky to have been dropped for Golding in the first place

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Therein lies the problem - lack of depth - possibly due to McDermott wanting to play JJB/Delaney/Ablett every week if fit - despite numerous poor performances these three always get picked if fit enough. No point developing youngsters if the coach isn't prepared to give them game time on a regular basis

JJR may not have been special but he cannot have been worse than Ablett has been all year and JJB against Wakefield. If is the criteria by which you select you side e.g. Golding then it should be applied to everyone else other wise it isn't equitable.

If he always wanted to play Ablett, Delaney and JJB in the back row and thus not have stronger competition then why sign an England international in Ferres (granted he hasn't worked out in hindsight but the point stands)

Everyone learned their South Stand dance moves for tonight?

To cover for injuries and when he wanted two second rows on the bench?

I highly doubt Ferres was signed as just injury cover although we've never really had a period where all 5 of Ward, Ferres, JJB, Ablett and Delaney have all been fit at the same time since Ferres signed to see how we'd line up.

Personally think the criticism of JJB is a touch unfair. He was awful last week as a 2nd rower but at loose he's played well I think but suffers from poor rotation of subs and if he came off at the 25/30 mins and back on around 55/60 mins I'd be happy still playing him or even coming off the bench at the half hour mark. I think Delaney did well against Wigan on his return and has played well earlier in the year when fit.

Don't expect much from Ferres now in the remainder of the season because even if he gets back from injury he won't have the time to pick up fitness or form, if he stays we'll have to hope he can have a good and healthy off preseason but I don't really think he's brought into the clubs ethos since signing and it's just another club for him. Ablett is almost going down the Briscoe route of looking lost out there. I'd guess that switching JJB to 2nd row last week was done solely for Ablett and not JJB (partly why I fell sorry for JJB).

I'd think about getting rid of one of Ferres or Ablett at seasons end. If you can find two quality 2nd row replacements then both but might be tricky to find that at this time. JJB still offers something is used better, Delaney I think still plays well, granted injuries but at around 4th choice 2nd row if you can get 15 games out of him it's not all that bad.

"If we play like we did last week and McDonut doesn't use his subs properly then the only move we'll be doing is walking to the exits etc. etc. etc."

Regards SouthStander

I think you have something on your nose. it's brown

Think it landed on me after coming out of your mouth

quick. I'll give you that one.very good

doesn't alter the fact you may be happy with last week's display but most people want better

Talking of which doesn't look like much in the south stand which could be removed as souvenirs. Thought of taking a petrol disc cutting wheel to remove that metal barrier that I leant on for donkeys years. On reflection can't see the stewards tolerating that . Life goes on but I can't see the new stand capturing the same spirit that exists in the existing stand. Likewise with new grounds. I used to love going to Central Park although we never seemed to be successful at that ground. It's not the same at wigans new ground.

no but time moves on and the fans can make the new stand have its own story.

Was explaining that to my manager today who had a similar suggestion after recalling how he was at the last match at the old Wembley and describing how people were going for seats whilst the match was still playing.

Bet someone might try make a play for the SouthStanders bar sign.

Obviously not happy with last weeks performance but as the previous two weeks showed a lot can changed in 7 days. It's a shame we can't find the consistency to put on a run of performances like the Wigan but we are at a tricky period at the club and hopefully we are taking steps forward, we certainly have responded ok to last years showing.

We can't lose tonight off all nights can we?

JJB playing SR is a bad choice in my opinion. I'd have him playing impact stints at LF.

Apart from that, the team is as good as it can be going with what we've got.