He really isn't. Aiton has had two seasons at Leeds, the first to call him bang average was a compliment, the second a decent but pretty short run of form playing off the frontest of front feet.

It's ridiculous that such little achievements see him rated above two home grown harry Sunderland awards winners. That somehow a mid-season run (which whilst exciting RL wasn't particularly special) see a journeyman overseas player rated as more influential than a home grown hooker playing for a side which dominated SL from start to finish, where he was MoM in the grand final and went into the Autumn as GB hooker.

You must be chilling with that coked up monkey again if you think Aiton this year was better and more influential than Diskin in 2004.

I think you are being a little disingenuous here. Cuthbertson looks better here because he has the time to offload as the quality of the defence isn't at the same level as it was in the NRL. He is a good player but he is not at the level of Matt Scott or Jesse Bromwich he is an average standard NRL prop. It would be the same if an average SL player dropped down a level e.g. Lee Gaskill the extra space and time affords them the opportunity to display a greater repertoire of their skills which would be denied by better players.

Whilst you say I am over critical of certain players - and you have a point - it is in response to the over protective posts of these players by some (you know who you are) on here

I would agree with that.



And there I totally disagree, and is simply short sighted of you. It was not a short run of form at all, it was 28 rounds of rugby including Challenge Cup, where he was consistently at the top in all the games played, in many at the top of the voting for Man of Match.



And yet nobody as said what you are saying above. The comparison is this season against individual seasons of others. You were the one comparing to rubbish like Millard. I only gave a greater comparison, clearly stating whether better or not is open to opinion. There is a strong likelihood that without injury, Aiton himself could have been a Harry Sunderland winner this year, considering his form throughout the season, if that is the be all and end all of determining someones season.




And there you go again. If your opinion is not adhered to the tone goes this way every time.

Nonsense. Did you watch us in 2004?

But Sal, would you not agree that Perry and Asotasi were props starring in the NRL? yet have been a bag of when having to do it in super league. It doesn't work for some, some players can only play one way and suit that style of games, others can adapt and adjust their game to bring out qualities. Moa would be a good example, a waste of time in the NRL then comes over here adjusts his game to suit, excels at it, goes back to the NRL and becomes a star over there.

Yeah, and I have been to nearly every game this year too. That's the point.

I think Diskin's 2004 season was better than Aiton's 2015, but the latters isn't far off at all.

Helps that Diskin completed that season.....be different if he'd of gotten injured with around 10 games to go.

Post his serious knee injury I don't think Diskin put in a better single season than the one Aiton is having now

To put Aiton anywhere near Millard and McShane is laughable.

I'd say that's a fair summary. A measure of a player's influence on a side is how much they are missed when they aren't available. Don't think for one moment not having Millard or McShane in the side hurt Leeds in the same way as not having Aiton available has done.

Ailton was out ill for most of last year so to slate him for being average isn't that fair, he barely got started in his first season with a new club.

And I think if he'd have carried on his form this year and not got the injury then he would have been one of the stand out performers this season, and Leeds would have looked a stronger side for it.

I think Aitons spell at Leeds has been quite an unlucky one for him.

Diskin was awesome in 2004. But the injury whilst playing for GB affected his performance after imo.

Yeah, and nowhere have I said he wasn't.

And when he wasn't ill Burrow was mainly used as the starting hooker.
I didn't see much of him when he as Wakey so wasn't really sure what we were getting.

This year he has been immense. His distribution, creating space for the runners, putting people through gaps and he's also been creative near the oppositions line.

Massive shame for him and us that's he's missing the business end of the year because he's been an integral part of the good things we've done this year.

Not having Aiton available wasn't the problem, just as not having Millard or McShane available was never a problem. Having Aiton unavailable and having Burrow unavailable and not having a youngster trusted to step up was the problem.

After Aiton was injured we went three games unbeaten, including beating Wigan and a record CC Final win. Burrow was then injured and we lost 3 straight games with pretty poor performances. Burrow comes back and we beat the form team in the league.

I would be confident in speculating that had we had either McShane or Millard available for those games we wouldn't have missed Aiton to a great level.

Whether you win or lose in their absence isn't the sole measure of whether you miss someone or if they're a good player.

We won big games before with great players missing....Webb '08 GF, McGuire 2012 playoff vs Wigan, Buderus the 2nd half of 2009 to name but a few. Are those 3 guys journeymen or average players because we were able to find a way to win without them?

Definitely not

I agree with that Diskin in 2004 was every bit as influential as Buderus in 2011 and Aiton in 2015

Moa is like Aiton - an average player playing in a really good side - plus in Moa's case possibly the best coach in the game

By the time Perry and Asotasi got here they were already in decline before they got here - so it was a huge surprise how things panned out

No but you are kind of proving my point for me, those players were replaced by other good players. Our problem wasn't that we lost Aiton. It was that we lost Aiton and Burrow.

There are many many players out there who can offer us what Aiton does. There are very very few who can offer what Hall or Watkins or hardaker or Peacock or Cuthbertson can.

If someone were to say you must lose one of your first 17. How far down the list would Aiton be? For me he is pretty near the top.

He is going to be easier to replace than JP or Sinfield. There aren't that many McGuire's about. Hall and Briscoe are two of the best anywhere. Watkins is in my opinion the only world class centre Super League has developed, Stevie Ward is an outstanding young talent. There aren't many utility forward with Abletts skills available, Cuthbertson does a job nobody else in world RL is doing right now Hardaker is the best full back in SL by a distance. Aiton just isn't near their level

Aye, remember watching Asotasi coming off the bench for Souths a few times season before he came and you could see then he was a shell of his former self.

There seems to be a pattern of Pacific Isles forwards who explode and are absolutely unplayable for a few years before just turning in to puddings. MoiMoi, Asotasi, vaeliki, Smith, Feka, Tupou, Smith Even the likes of Cayless, Solomona, Rauhihi, Anderson became a bit of a plodder, recently the links of Lima, Luauki,Sa and manu have disappointed.

I don't think anybody is saying that losing Burrow wasn't also an issue. But does that make Aiton a journeyman who is nearer the level of Millard and McShane.....not at all.

Sinfield missed a few games through injury and with Sutcliffe we won away at Cas and Catalans and home to Wigan. Briscoe missed a load of games and Handley came in and performed well and scored two hat tricks against tomorrow's opponents........does having good backups and Plan B's that can work lessen someone's quality. Does winning games without Sinfield and Briscoe make them unimportant.

Aiton might not be as good a player as Peacock or Watkins....again doesn't mean he's not a good player. Certainly a lot better than some are giving him credit for on here.

Rob Burrow has 6 Super League titles, 2 Challenge Cups, 3WCC, 3 LLS, 2 Harry Sunderland awards,
Matt Diskin has 4 Super League titles, 2 LLS, 2 WCC, a Harry Sunderland award
Danny Buderus has a Dally M award, 1 NRL, 1 Tri-nations title, State of origin title, the most capped NSW in SoO history, and a Super League title.

What has Paul Aiton done in his career to be judged at the level of those players?

The point isnt that Burrow could replace him, but that most hookers could replace him. Most hookers in SL could step in to Aitons role and we wouldnt really miss a beat.

Again, who has compared him to Danny Buderus? No one has said he's as good as him, but to place him alongside Millard and McShane is ridiculous.

And in his two seasons at Leeds he's won 2 CC and LLS. We might add a GF (and yes he won't be playing in the final but he's more than played his part in getting us there and will fully deserve to get a winners ring if we do lift the trophy).

Had he stayed longer, or joined a few years earlier then I'm sure his CV would look even better. That he's not had the longest Leeds career again isn't a marker of whether he's a good player or not.



And most find that a laughable idea.

The point I believe is that Aiton played above himself for Leeds this season. He and Cuthbertson had a great playing relationship which hasn't been replicated with with anyone else who played hooker. Hope he proves me wrong but can't see Cuthbo been the same force without a quick, clever dummy half next season.

The biggest single thing about Cuthbertson has been his ability to offload in almost every tackle.Even surrounded by 3 and even 4 men at times and 90% of the offloads have been good. That is where he has been such a revelation.Are you seriously trying to say Aiton has been a big factor in him being able to do this?