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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"So how was McGuire?
Any more mouthing off to the ref?'"
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"So how was McGuire?
Any more mouthing off to the ref?'"
At least McGuire managed to avoid showering the officials with expletives. A step up from Brough, who was a very, very lucky boy to stay on the field after the spray he gave the touch judge late on in the game. Fortunate he picked on one of the younger ones who lacked the bottle to bring it to Silverwood's attention.
On the obstruction thing, last season the Huby one would have been given all day long. Everyone knew what the laws and interpretation were, you stop in the line you're going to get penalised. For some unknown reason the RFL decided that wasn't good enough, and went back to allowing referees to make their own mind up based on a set of subjective criteria whether an obstruction had occurred. As a result, we're back in chaos. Teams are being penalised where no defender is impeded - the Leeds one in the first half - while defenders are then clearly being impeded and no penalty given because the VR doesn't think they've made "enough" of an effort to get around the 17 stone roadblock in their way.
It's little wonder players and spectators get frustrated at the inconsistency shown both game to game and even during games.
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| In the end perhaps a fair result and given our injuries one I would have accepted before the match. Although it is disappointing to see an 22-8 lead whittled down it just shows how momentum is the key in the modern game.
IMO to suggest Huddersfield were poor in the first half disrespects both them and Leeds. They started well we played some good rugby and were well on top at half time. The second half swing in momentum came in part as a result of a string of penalties against Leeds combined with a much improved Brough which enthused the whole Huddersfield side. During this period I thought our defense was outstanding led by JP and Cuthbo although the latter made rather a meal of the obstruction he perhaps expected that Hardaker would not have been so easily swotted out of the way for the try.
I have been one of Sinfield's biggest fans throughout his career but all good things come to an end eventually as I have witnessed with the many other great players in almost 60 years of watching our great game. Given the small amount of possession we had in the second half even Sinfield at his very best would have struggle to turn the tide. Those that are suggesting he should have been in the side are ignoring the fact that his form for almost a year has been way down and that includes his leadership performances. This does not mean that Sinfield will not still play a useful part as the season rolls on. I am sure he will.
Keinhorst did ok and for this game Mac was right to continue with Watkins on the wing due to the danger of Brough's kicking game. JJB did remarkably well to return after injury with so much energy and Delaney was again in form until he had to go off. It is easy to be critical of creative players when things don't come off and McGuire's missed touch finder was one such occasion but it was very much the sort of thing Sinfield would have tried to gain better field position at a time when we needed to be out of our own half.
Mac has shown he will gradually introduce the youngsters and not overplay them but when ready he will back them which includes allowing them to make the mistakes they will learn from. It is somewhat ironic that some of those that were critical of Mac for not playing the youngsters more often are now at him for allowing the transition to progress.
On the positive side I thought the coach and players did well in the short turn around to improve on the performance of the Warrington game and now we get a longer time to recover energy and prepare for the Widnes game.
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| Whilst the Cuthbertson decision could go another way on another day we were fortunate when Ablett knocked on and we scored on the next play.
For me Delaney had his best game before coming off, Keinhorst did not let anyone down but for me should be on the wing with Watkins at centre.
Sutcliffe and McGuire look impressive until Burrow comes on for some reason.
If the coach did drop Sinfield last night then maybe he needs to do the same with Burrow next week who was absolute gash last night and has been all season.
Maybe the move to Cas is playing on his mind
Sinfield as replacement hooker next week maybe or Robbie Ward.
Not sure having Sinfield on the park would have prevented the penalties either or won us the game.
Sutclife threw some impressives passes that maybe Sinfield would not have done.
All in all a fair result but we really need to be killing off teams when so far in front.
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| Re the Cuthbertson non-obstruction, isn't the distance between ball carrier and would-be tackler taken account of under the new ruling? For me Cuthbertson showed so little intent in getting to the carrier, preferring instead to flap about, that there's no way any official could conclude he would have got there. Had he made a serious attempt they might have. Try for me, I'm afraid.
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| Had a good look at replays of the last play where Burrow fell over, and everyone was onside from Peacock's kick. Would need another angle at Watkins possibly knocking it on (think he batted it backwards though). Am pretty sure try would have stood.
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| Quote ="chapylad"
For me Delaney had his best game before coming off.'"
He was excellent week before as well.
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Quote ="Juan Cornetto"IMO to suggest Huddersfield were poor in the first half disrespects both them and Leeds.'"
Some people really need to start looking at both sides rather than trying to make out something is better for their own.
Anderson is spot on www.totalrl.com/first-half-was-d ... -anderson/
Quote ="Juan Cornetto"I have been one of Sinfield's biggest fans throughout his career but all good things come to an end eventually as I have witnessed with the many other great players in almost 60 years of watching our great game. Given the small amount of possession we had in the second half even Sinfield at his very best would have struggle to turn the tide. Those that are suggesting he should have been in the side are ignoring the fact that his form for almost a year has been way down and that includes his leadership performances. This does not mean that Sinfield will not still play a useful part as the season rolls on. I am sure he will.'"
I am not sure why people still appear unable to grasp this. But the comments about Sinfield are not what he does with the ball, but what he influences on his team mates. Surely you have been watching long enough to see over the last decade that we have been in similar scenarios to last nights second half many times. Yet somehow we pulled it through. We were leaderless and rudderless last night in that second half when the momentum had changed, and it was that that cost us. Not because Sutcliffe and McGuire are not up to it in their roles, but because there was nobody in the team to stand up and take on that control of giving us a level head. Just because Sinfield plays doesn't mean to say Sutcliffe and McGuire shouldn't.
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Quote ="Juan Cornetto"IMO to suggest Huddersfield were poor in the first half disrespects both them and Leeds.'"
Some people really need to start looking at both sides rather than trying to make out something is better for their own.
Anderson is spot on www.totalrl.com/first-half-was-d ... -anderson/
Quote ="Juan Cornetto"I have been one of Sinfield's biggest fans throughout his career but all good things come to an end eventually as I have witnessed with the many other great players in almost 60 years of watching our great game. Given the small amount of possession we had in the second half even Sinfield at his very best would have struggle to turn the tide. Those that are suggesting he should have been in the side are ignoring the fact that his form for almost a year has been way down and that includes his leadership performances. This does not mean that Sinfield will not still play a useful part as the season rolls on. I am sure he will.'"
I am not sure why people still appear unable to grasp this. But the comments about Sinfield are not what he does with the ball, but what he influences on his team mates. Surely you have been watching long enough to see over the last decade that we have been in similar scenarios to last nights second half many times. Yet somehow we pulled it through. We were leaderless and rudderless last night in that second half when the momentum had changed, and it was that that cost us. Not because Sutcliffe and McGuire are not up to it in their roles, but because there was nobody in the team to stand up and take on that control of giving us a level head. Just because Sinfield plays doesn't mean to say Sutcliffe and McGuire shouldn't.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"He was excellent week before as well.'"
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You need to start reading posts properly Sal, because your showing poor form.
In the first half Huddersfield were the poorest side we have played this year.'"
i dont have a problem with reading you definitely have a problem with anyone challenging you views.
nowhere near as bad as Hull in the second half or wakey in either half
At least they made ground they just couldnt finish when close to the line
On Sinfield I appreciate your point it was surprised he wasnt playing but if you want Sutcliffe to develop and play Sinfield you have an issue. Twenty years of having your own ball isnt going to be an easy habit to forget. That is before we discuss his defence if he is going to play in the forwards
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"I have been one of Sinfield's biggest fans throughout his career but all good things come to an end eventually as I have witnessed with the many other great players in almost 60 years of watching our great game. Given the small amount of possession we had in the second half even Sinfield at his very best would have struggle to turn the tide. Those that are suggesting he should have been in the side are ignoring the fact that his form for almost a year has been way down and that includes his leadership performances. This does not mean that Sinfield will not still play a useful part as the season rolls on. I am sure he will.'"
I'm not for a second saying everything would have been different if Sinfield was on......but I don't think he would have gone for touch from the 20m restart whilst we were under so much pressure and had had such little ball in hand which imo was a massive turning point in the game,
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"I'd agree with that, I think he's just getting back up to speed since his injury'"
Spot on. And he's got there by being played achieving match fitness after an injured pre-season and he's now getting into his groove.
A few weeks ago there were many calls for him to be dropped. Astounding really when he has proven what he can contribute when able.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"I'm not for a second saying everything would have been different if Sinfield was on......but I don't think he would have gone for touch from the 20m restart whilst we were under so much pressure and had had such little ball in hand which imo was a massive turning point in the game,'"
May have got this wrong, but I read that as McGuire trying to do something Sinfield-esque away from his usual game. He did on other side of coin put some clever kicks in as well.
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| Think Leeds have fired a few warning shots for all oppoisition to take note of.
When game was locked at 20 all, few minutes left. how many teams would have puffed their cheeks and thought 'we'll settle for a point now'? Probably most. Not this Leeds team. They slung the ball, passed and offloaded in risky places in an attempt to win the game. which nearly came off.
Push Leeds into a corner in tight games and they will roll the dice.
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And some people need to stop making OTT comments. We had the momentum for most of the first half and they did for the second. When the momentum is against you and the opposition has all the ball, mistakes start to happen and decisions start to go against you but that doesn't therefore follow that you are a poor team.
Quote ="Gotcha"I am not sure why people still appear unable to grasp this. But the comments about Sinfield are not what he does with the ball, but what he influences on his team mates. Surely you have been watching long enough to see over the last decade that we have been in similar scenarios to last nights second half many times. Yet somehow we pulled it through. We were leaderless and rudderless last night in that second half when the momentum had changed, and it was that that cost us. Not because Sutcliffe and McGuire are not up to it in their roles, but because there was nobody in the team to stand up and take on that control of giving us a level head. Just because Sinfield plays doesn't mean to say Sutcliffe and McGuire shouldn't.'"
I am not sure why some people cannot grasp that Sinfield on current form has not displayed the same influence or control he once did. His presence last night would not have stopped the decisions going against us in the second half nor would it have stopped Brough's kicking game or us having more possession. If you are saying he should have played at 13 then we would have been without JJB one of our most effective players.
Finally IMO we did not lack control we lacked possession. Without the ball it is very very difficult to take any sort of control. We defended well and we never gave up in trying to win even in the last few seconds.
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And some people need to stop making OTT comments. We had the momentum for most of the first half and they did for the second. When the momentum is against you and the opposition has all the ball, mistakes start to happen and decisions start to go against you but that doesn't therefore follow that you are a poor team.
Quote ="Gotcha"I am not sure why people still appear unable to grasp this. But the comments about Sinfield are not what he does with the ball, but what he influences on his team mates. Surely you have been watching long enough to see over the last decade that we have been in similar scenarios to last nights second half many times. Yet somehow we pulled it through. We were leaderless and rudderless last night in that second half when the momentum had changed, and it was that that cost us. Not because Sutcliffe and McGuire are not up to it in their roles, but because there was nobody in the team to stand up and take on that control of giving us a level head. Just because Sinfield plays doesn't mean to say Sutcliffe and McGuire shouldn't.'"
I am not sure why some people cannot grasp that Sinfield on current form has not displayed the same influence or control he once did. His presence last night would not have stopped the decisions going against us in the second half nor would it have stopped Brough's kicking game or us having more possession. If you are saying he should have played at 13 then we would have been without JJB one of our most effective players.
Finally IMO we did not lack control we lacked possession. Without the ball it is very very difficult to take any sort of control. We defended well and we never gave up in trying to win even in the last few seconds.
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| that optional kick was an unnecessary gamble on every level
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"May have got this wrong, but I read that as McGuire trying to do something Sinfield-esque away from his usual game. He did on other side of coin put some clever kicks in as well.'"
But I don't think Sinfield would do something like that during that situation considering how the second half was panning out.
Like I said I'm not suggesting that we would have won had Sinfield been on it was just my opinion on that particular play.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Think Leeds have fired a few warning shots for all oppoisition to take note of.
When game was locked at 20 all, few minutes left. how many teams would have puffed their cheeks and thought 'we'll settle for a point now'? Probably most. Not this Leeds team. They slung the ball, passed and offloaded in risky places in an attempt to win the game. which nearly came off.
Push Leeds into a corner in tight games and they will roll the dice.'"
I was actually surprised that they went for the 2 points when awarded a penalty a yard from the Hudds tryline, ok it got them a point but I thought that was the time to go for the win.
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| when does Aiton serve his ban for the drugs scandel in Australia? the others have been banned but not him, is it an ongoing case or been swept under the carpet
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| Quote ="brearley84"when does Aiton serve his ban for the drugs scandel in Australia? the others have been banned but not him, is it an ongoing case or been swept under the carpet'"
It was just a misunderstanding, Hetherington sorted it out.
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| Quote ="brearley84"when does Aiton serve his ban for the drugs scandel in Australia? the others have been banned but not him, is it an ongoing case or been swept under the carpet'"
The Cronulla players were invited to plead guilty and take what amounted to a three game ban, despite the fact the ASADA had no evidence that any of them had ever used a banned substance, the scientist at the centre of the case refusing to testify to the ASADA and none of them had ever failed a drugs test. The alternative was that ASADA threatened them with possible two-year bans if they didn't plead guilty.
Unlike AFL teams involved with the same individual, Cronulla hung the players out to dry. I suspect Leeds (and Catalan Dragons, not forgetting Ben Pomeroy was also named) have taken solid legal advice and invited them to make a case that would stand up to legal scrutiny either here or in the courts in Australia. Truth is, ASADA don't have one. It's all built on speculation, conjecture and a piece of tabloid journalism.
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| IIRC the likes of Pomeroy and Aiton were never contacted by ASADA at all and so never offered the opportunity to plead guilty and accept a 3 month ban served in the off-season.
If ASADA want to pursue Pomeroy/Aiton etc now then they'd have to offer them the same opportunity as those in Australia. And as mentioned, they appear to have little in terms of evidence anyway.
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| That optional restart would have almost certainly won us the game had it come off. We should never stop trying those
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| The Huby/Cuthbertson 'obstruction' is simple for me. Huby stops in the line after the ball has gone west and honestly does step into Cuthbertson, but by the time the play comes back round Huby is walking back while for some reason Cuthbertson is pretending he's made of velcro and looks to want to keep walking into Huby in a terrible attempt to look as though he's been held back, he had plenty of opportunity to step right and go for Wardle, instead he decided to be lazy.
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