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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"we also used to see signs outside B&Bs saying "no dogs, no blacks no irish", we saw political campaigns saying "if you want a lovely for a neighbour, vote Labor" because those words and views were commonplace, it took people to stand up and say "no, this is wrong" to change that.
There is no need for a homophobic slur to be part of the common vernacular, no need of benefit for it being such a part of Hardakers vocabulary. It makes no sense to argue that Hardaker should be using this word to express frustration.'"
I didn't say he should use it.
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| It's all about context
If these words are used in anger - don't expect any sympathy
Like the Luis Suarez case - his racist words were used in anger - not acceptable.
Hardakers words were clearly used in anger - not acceptable
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| Even though I said I didn't give a monkeys I agree with the previous poster.
A guy who was heterosexual and had lost his temper would probably have shouted F'ing Barsteward.
Think he has had problems in the changing room.
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| Quote ="jools"This heat of the moment excuse makes me want to bang my head against a brick wall! It's Pathetic!
In the heat of the moment you don't just choose a random word you have never used before do you? You choose a word that's part of your vocabulary- the point is getting people to remove words such as this out of their vocabulary so they don't use it in the heat of the moment.'"
Apparently that well-known Gay-basher Jonah Hill wouldn't agree with you!
[iThe “22 Jump Street” actor was trailed by photographers this weekend in Los Angeles as he was strolling with a friend.
Clad in printed shorts, a polo T-shirt and baseball cap, Hill succeeded in ignoring the shutterbugs. However one particularly pesky photographer continued to hound the 30-year-old actor teasing him by say, “I like the shorts though, bro. They are pretty sexy.”
The photographer continued to follow him down a side street before finally giving up and saying, “Have a good day.”
Hill answered back snapping, “ Suck my d..k, you f….t”
Hill was a guest on The Howard Stern Show this morning and sounded genuinely contrite and upset over the controversy explaining that the photographer had been following him all day saying "really hurtful things about my family."
He admitted that he snapped. "I played into exactly what he wanted a nd lost my cool and in that moment I said a disgusting word that does not at all reflect how I feel about any group of people."
"I grew up with gay family members," Hill continued. "I'm happy to be the poster boy for thinking about what you say."
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PS I was witness to homophobic chants from Hull FC fans on the West Terrace towards Tom Briscoe so them getting their panties in a bunch is particularly ironic.
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| Well I think there are a lot of knob jockeys posting on here. Just saying like, and I'm quite chilled about it.
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| Quote ="heisenberg"Jeez. Who cares. Watch the news there's bigger problems out there. Things are said in the heat of the moment. Clearly Zak isn't a homophobe, he has 2 earrings FFS!
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Fit young guy, hot body, tattoos, earrings, trendy haircut, fashionable clothes, takes pride in his appearance and now alleged to have used a homophobic slur?
What's the American for wardrobe?
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| I have a couple of gay friends, so I asked one of them if he would be really offended if someone called him a faggot - he responded by singing the Gloria Gaynor classic 'I am what I am' (true story).
Has anyone really gone out and asked the gay community if they find the word 'faggot' offensive? Because all the gays I know really couldn't give fekk.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"I have a couple of gay friends.'"
Of course you do.
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| I'm not homophobic. I like Elton John and everything.
Manly regards
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| If this ever goes to court, those videos Zak made with Josh Charnley would be the first item for the defence.
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| Somewhere there will be an episode of Southpark that deals with this scenario.
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| When pressure and or frustration get the better of a person, they will on occasion lash out verbally (or physically). If the response to the situation is verbal, it quite often takes the form of a word or words designed to shock or distress the intended recipient. It is also common to shout out in a similar manner at ones self, when frustrated. Is this acceptable? IMO it is not. Is it a hanging offence? Again IMO it is not. I do however think that we need to be wary as a society of jumping to take offence at every outburst made in a pressurised situation by a daft individual who failed to check an overspill of emotions. Motive and context need to be factored into the equation. IF Zak did make unacceptable comments, I trust that the RFL will take appropriate action.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Well it's not such a big secret that I'm bisexual and spend a lot of time with transpeople, so although I personally wouldn't be bothered if anyone called me a faggot, I do know a lot of people who would be upset. If such insults were thrown in my direction (as has happened on occasion in the past), I have a couple of options open to me: I can ignore the commenter, I can get upset and complain or I can lamp him/her. In the past, options one and three have usually been favoured.
Spending the amount of time that I do in the company of and in contact with transpeople, I'd suggest that the figure of 1.5% non-heterosexual is a vast understatement. I never cease to be amazed at the number of guys who engage in sexual activity with transpeople and yet insist that they are "straight". I think getting an accurate fix on the number of non-heterosexual people is fraught with difficulty, simply because of the reluctance of many people to be honest in their answers for fear of peer pressure or that their partner or spouse may find out.
As to Hardaker: Did his alleged comments upset me? - no, why should they?
Is he a daft lad? - Undoubtedly yes
Should he face suspension? - Couldn't give a toss, it just may send a message but wouldn't make a ha'porth of difference in the great scheme of things.'"
Cheers Codhead. I applaud, and respect your straightforward and honest reply, which may just give all those posters who are working themselves up into a self rightous froth, something to ponder on.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"I have a couple of gay friends, so I asked one of them if he would be really offended if someone called him a faggot - he responded by singing the Gloria Gaynor classic 'I am what I am' (true story).
Has anyone really gone out and asked the gay community if they find the word 'faggot' offensive? Because all the gays I know really couldn't give fekk.'"
I should also like to admitting I collected Golli badges as a kid......
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| and a lot of those frothing at the mouth are the same ones chanting the refs a cheating c*nt from the terraces
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"I didn't say he should use it.'"
But you are trying to mitigate his use of it in the same way people justified using those words.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Well I think there are a lot of knob jockeys posting on here. Just saying like, and I'm quite chilled about it.'"
you're certainly proving there is at least one gigantic swollen h0le. Just saying like, and I'm quite chilled about it.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"But you are trying to mitigate his use of it in the same way people justified using those words.'"
And you tried to make out that I said it was ok for him to use those words when I never did. Understandable, yes. Ok, no. Their's a difference.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"And you tried to make out that I said it was ok for him to use those words when I never did. Understandable, yes. Ok, no. Their's a difference.'"
i didnt. I simply tried to draw that parallel.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It makes no sense to argue that Hardaker should be using this word to express frustration.'"
Quite clear there that you thought people were arguing that it was ok for Hardaker to use that word. Not one single person has said he should use that word, more a case that the crime (and context it happened in) isn't level with some of the IMO OTT reactions on here.
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| Hardaker chose the wrong insult and, hopefully, he chose the wrong sport in which to use it. It's a little tiresome that certain aspects of the game seem mired in the 1970s. Considering we've ditched some of its better traditions, it's a pi$$ing shame we've retained some its the worst.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"i didnt. I simply tried to draw that parallel.'"
Parallel's are usually thought of as straight....
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you're certainly proving there is at least one gigantic swollen h0le. Just saying like, and I'm quite chilled about it.'"
That's quite ok, I am still chilled. I never mentioned you by name though, so well done for realising which posters I was referring to.
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| [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?5408Weyman has received a two match ban[/url for his abuse of the referee, and that was taking into consideration that there was no sound available and the player claimed to have been abusing a fellow player.
Apparently the disciplinary would only look at an abuse case if the referee had reported it to the match commissioner. Therefore, I think it can be safely assumed that Child heard what was said by Hardaker, believed it to be directed at him and reported the incident to the match commissioner.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?5408Weyman has received a two match ban[/url for his abuse of the referee, and that was taking into consideration that there was no sound available and the player claimed to have been abusing a fellow player.
Apparently the disciplinary would only look at an abuse case if the referee had reported it to the match commissioner. Therefore, I think it can be safely assumed that Child heard what was said by Hardaker, believed it to be directed at him and reported the incident to the match commissioner.'"
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