HEAR! HEAR! Remember what Kevin Sinfield said. 'BM is the best coach he's ever played under'.
That, together with the man's record is enough for me.
Some peaple are born Knockers and nothing you can say or do will change that.

Truce. But just look how much better we could have been playing entertaining rugby and winning even more trophies if we rotated the pack more and did not rely on scoring tries from 50 or 60 metres out.

I just read that we have finished in the top five for the last seventeen seasons. Didn't think about that. At least six coaches in that time.

If we finish outside the top five this year, are you prepared to accept this post of yours is nonsense?

If we finish inside the top five, are you prepared to accept that everything you have posted in the last twelve months is nonsense?

What even when I said you were a sensible poster?

Is that really all you have to come back with?

Posters have questioned points about the team and coach, in relation to going forward. All you do is have a go at these posters in an arrogant patronising manner. If this year is the first in seventeen years of finishing outside the top five, it would completely vindicate those questions would it not?

what do you want him to say when BM is his current boss???

What I struggle to understand is the constant bashing of this squad and coach. Yes two of our forward pack are probably too old, however, JP probably had one of his best years ever last season. If there is no-one available to bring in then what can we do?? It would be far worse if JP and Kylie had retired and we were left with the current pack we have. Saying that Singo, Achurch and even Kirke (yes the one we all love to hate) had really good finishes to the year.

Lets not forget that the majority of the current squad have GF winners rings, doesn't make them bad players overnight just because they are a year older. Did Wire fans complain when they gave Hodgson, Moz, Mongahan etc new deals when they are 30++

So Mags isn't as quick as he was when he burst onto the scene but his game has changed to reflect that. This year he will be a massive player for us, a proper injury free pre-season behind him will do wonders. He looked really sharp against London.

Lets stop bashing them and start supporting them. When all the success and the players have gone we will wish players like Mags, Kev, JP, Bailz, JJB et al were still playing.

For me, this squad is the strongest its been since Keith retired. The only players who would improve this are The Burgess', Isaac Luke and Sam Tomkins. None of these are available to sign..

really??? cameron smith wouldn't improve it then?

or roby?
or graham?
or plenty more

The point I'm making is that whilst we are a good team (although the field is not that strong). We could and should be better. We have signed an international winger which is great although not really what we needed but it will improve the back line. We signed a reasonable hooker who looked good in an average team. Lunt would have been a better signing. We have let a few players go in the forwards and retained the same forwards who struggled last year and they are another year older. We don't seem to have much of a game plan especially in the oppositions 20 metre. We look predictable at times with no plan B. I think that however good we are we need to get better. Good teams buy players to stay at the top they don't sit back and say half the team have GF winners rings so we must be good. We won feck all last year so something was amiss . What did we do? Buy a winger so we can rotate the 3 of them. Bought a hooker so he can sit on the bench whilst Burrow does the predictable. We needed 2 forwards to keep us at the top and we didn't get them even though we will still probably finish in the top 5 and might get to two semi finals. For a team like Leeds that in my opinion is not good enough considering the opposition.

Well said chappylad.
Also this "lets just support the team" etc i do that by buying ST's and attending games and when i'm at games they have my full support.
The fact that players like kirke ,a 35yr old Kylie are deemed still worthy of 1st 17 spots and then signing a winger (who i rate very highly btw0 we didn't need for a Club with top2 and CC honours as their target are imo still questionable.
As for the coach we saw last year how he handled his rotations and selections and whilst i disagree with anything re-the Team ,Coaches etc i will say as much.

As of 2015, any home grown talent at the club will only be counted as 100k on the cap, so Leeds could pay Kallum Watkins £1 million, but he'd only be counted as 100k.

Has this been confirmed anywhere? This would be applicable for quite a few of our squad I'd imagine, although not sure how many are on over £100k. Great change if true.

Anything on one salary cap exemption per club?

Quote ="rugbyleague88"Has this been confirmed anywhere? This would be applicable for quite a few of our squad I'd imagine, although not sure how many are on over £100k. Great change if true. Anything on one salary cap exemption per club?'" It was part of the structural changes policy review in September. It has since been ratified as part of the structural changes (or rather I've seen nothing to suggest that it was dropped before it was ratified) - specifically here (5.3.11): media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Policy%2 ... 202013.pdf Quote ="the rfl" In Tier 1, the current Elite Squad Representative Dispensation Allowance is removed, to be replaced by regulation that limits the Salary Cap Value of a Club Trained Player at a nominal value of £100k (i.e. for any Club Trained Player with a Salary Cap Value of over £100k, his Salary Cap Value will be assessed at £100k only with any additional wage not included in his salary cap value). This would reward clubs for producing elite talent and give them an opportunity to retain this talent in the face of competition from other sports and competitions. '" As for the marquee signings rule, nothing more has been mentioned since koukashs moan. It was included in the policy document above though (5.3.14) - when it will be introduced I don't know. Quote ="the rfl" The current consideration and consultation process on the introduction of Marquee Player Rules is continued within proposals to be provided to Super League and Championship clubs in October 2013. '"

Quote ="rugbyleague88"Has this been confirmed anywhere? This would be applicable for quite a few of our squad I'd imagine, although not sure how many are on over £100k. Great change if true. Anything on one salary cap exemption per club?'" It was part of the structural changes policy review in September. It has since been ratified as part of the structural changes (or rather I've seen nothing to suggest that it was dropped before it was ratified) - specifically here (5.3.11): media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Policy%2 ... 202013.pdf Quote ="the rfl" In Tier 1, the current Elite Squad Representative Dispensation Allowance is removed, to be replaced by regulation that limits the Salary Cap Value of a Club Trained Player at a nominal value of £100k (i.e. for any Club Trained Player with a Salary Cap Value of over £100k, his Salary Cap Value will be assessed at £100k only with any additional wage not included in his salary cap value). This would reward clubs for producing elite talent and give them an opportunity to retain this talent in the face of competition from other sports and competitions. '" As for the marquee signings rule, nothing more has been mentioned since koukashs moan. It was included in the policy document above though (5.3.14) - when it will be introduced I don't know. Quote ="the rfl" The current consideration and consultation process on the introduction of Marquee Player Rules is continued within proposals to be provided to Super League and Championship clubs in October 2013. '"

Looking at the current playing roster I'd say the following home grown would be on over £100k

Ryan Hall
Danny McGuire
Kevin Sinfield
Kallum Watkins
Carl Ablett
Rob Burrow
Jamie Jones Buchanan (maybe by £20k)

If we were paying 4 of those players over £100k in 2015 and beyond then that would really highlight how our management at the club had lost the plot. They would never get that money anywhere else at this stage of career.

I am not even convinced the other 3 will be on over £100k.

Its good news imo the likes of Kallum & Hall deserve it plus if i've understood it right this then means we can pay Hardaker more within the SC!!

A good step forwards on keeping talent in the game and in this country. The downside is that it favours the big clubs, but the salary cap has been fixed for a good number of years, if clubs have not caught up there is no sense in dragging the rest of the game in this country down with it

Liam Sutcliffe to Bradford Bulls on loan

today's sun indicates that Kallum Watkins is wanted by Rugby Union clubs, with Leeds demanding a fee of £1m to release him from his contract.

Only £1m?

I think the bigger clubs will start to break the salary cap deliberately soon, the game cannot lose more players especially the like of Kallum Watkins so close to burgess going.

To a certain extent it favours the big clubs, it also favours the so called smaller clubs with ambition that develop players, for example Castleford.

I can understand why RU clubs would want him, however its a piece by Dave "Nosey" Parker who 99 times out of 100 is wrong.

And the other 1 time,he probably gets his info from here

Start a reasonably plausible rumour on here, have a few people agree with you and within days it'll be published as fact by Parker in some red-top.