Like I said, you are a total hypocrite.

I don't even think you know what you are saying yourself.

I'm saying injured players might as well rest. Fit players might as well play.

Where's the hypocrisy?

No you didn't. You said it was a good mid season rest.

Either you take enjoyment in players getting injured, or you accept a player resting will have benefits at a later date.

Something of course you have hypocritically criticised posters for, for suggesting previously.

No, there's a third - sane - option.

Unfortunately Sinfield is injured. This means he can't do the ideal thing i.e. play for the team. In these circumstances, where he cannot play, it is advantageous for him to rest. You can file it under "looking on the bright side".

You have suggested in the past that [ifit[/i players should rest to make way for younger players. I have disagreed with this hypothesis. It is my belief that the advantages of being a battle-hardened unit of players outweigh those of fit players being rested.

Please let me know if this needs any further clarification before posting any more personal insults.

According to the rhinos twitter account the 6 week layoff is speculation:

"@leedsrhinos: As stated yesterday, Sinfield will have further scans tomorrow and see a surgeon, until then anything else is pure speculation"

"@leedsrhinos: An injury layoff following surgery is a likely outcome but not the only one, as soon as we have a 100% decision we'll announce details"

You have no more idea than Gotcha if that is true or false - playing players injured could indeed lead to further more serious injuries

I'd contend that most break or twist injuries are impact related.

Players who are not fully fit are not able to react the same way and protect themselves as well as they would if they were fully fit. This causes injuries that might otherwise be avoided

Yes please explain, and dig your hole further.

Your pathetic attempt to excuse your hypocritical post is just stating the bleeding obvious in reality. You obviously feel it is good that a player is injured, as the rest is then good. If a player can not play injured then he has to rest and this is good to you.

But resting a player when the team is strong, and ensuring that player is always at his peak, is wrong in your world.

The same could apply to a player who'd had a few weeks rest and wasn't up to match speed upon his return...

Ultimately it's a question of who is in the best position to determine a player's fitness: the fans, or the coach and the conditioners. The fans might have a marginal claim to that role if our team never won anything. In the circumstances where the team is very successful, the fan who knows better is, at best, deluded.

*Edited for crazy stuff/insults.

The team which has followed McDermott's methodology has won the last two Grand Finals. The teams that follow the one you're proposing haven't. You're in conflict with reality. When that reality alters, get back to me. In the meantime I can only assume your arguments must be based on an irrational prejudice towards McDermott.

So you don't actually know, you have no more idea than Gotcha - just admit it.

So you are basically saying coach knows best whilst they are winning - let's see if your views remain as resolute when they are not or whether you will turn about face as you have done on here.

The person best to judge a players fitness is the player - he is the one who has to go out there and perform. We know players are desperate to play to stop somebody else getting the opportunity to displace them long term. The job of the coach is create and environment where these insecurities are understood and managed correctly. That way players take the field in something like the condition they need to be to compete at the highest level

They don't follow that "methodology" at all, look back at the last two seasons. Does this "methodology" also include the innovative idea of not using substitutes?

You have been show to be an hypocrite, so I will leave that one at that.

Just a final piece, just so we all know where you stand. If this great "methodology" results in no silverware this season, will you then come back and admit that you are indeed a tard?

It's the balance of probabilities that Danny McGuire's injury, for example, wasn't caused by lack of fitness. Which of the injuries are you attributing to wear and tear?

The ultimate mission of a coach and a player is to win stuff. There is no question that McDermott has created an environment where his team competes at the highest level and wins trophies. If they don't win things then criticism of coaching practices might assume more validity.

When you can present a coherent argument demonstrating some acquaintance with reality, and without resorting to insults, I'll think about it.



After the bitter taste of recent success, some people around here will be delighted when this great team finally fails, just like they were barely able to contain their delight when a senior player gets an injury and is forced to make way for a younger player. Bizarre.

This is exactly the point where I don't know if you were around pre 2011, or whether you are related to McDermott.

This "environment" was created before McDermott arrived, and yet those previous coaches did things differently.

Coherent argument?

You have been proven to be an hypocrite, and then you can't even defend yourself out of it.

Despite continually saying we shouldn't rest players to keep them fit, when it was suggested by others, you then come up with this when Sinfield is injured:




When your hypocrisy is highlighted you then come back with this "coherent" argument





It really didn't need me to point it out. Others have picked it up just the same.

I'll keep this as simple as I can.

Here's a list of some scenarios, as I see them, in order of preference:

1. Sinfield is fit, playing well for the team
2. Sinfield is fit, playing not so well for the team
3. Sinfield is injured, he rests
4. Sinfield is injured, everyone runs around like headless chickens because the end is nigh.

Based on recent experience I reject:

2.a. Sinfield is fit, playing not so well for the team, rest him

On the basis that this team appear to have derived a psychological edge in big games by working through their periods of less great form on the pitch. Whether this will work this season - who knows? Other teams develop their own formulas for success which may exceed our own. What is not sensibly in dispute is that McDermott's formula has worked until now.

No hypocrisy, no contradiction.

McDermott confirmed in the YEP that Kylie wont be available tonight. So Sinfield and Kylie to drop out of the 19 which already had 3 wingers (BJB, Hall and Minns), with Moon and Keinhorst to centres is there any need in having a winger on the bench?? BJB has stated that he is smashing his PBs in training so it sounds like he will be fit enough for a full 80. Another academy lad to be called up maybe, otherwise having Minns on the bench would be a complete waste unless Keinhorst does a shift in the back row.

Minns can also play back rower. Remember he isn't actually a winger.

That said, I agree with the point you are making.

I know it's not match fitness, but you have to remember that BJB has been in full training for a couple of Months now. It's only playing that he hasn't been cleared for. I don't think there'll be any problems whatsoever, apart from some rustiness.

I reckon they may move Moon to stand off and give Sutcliffe a spell at LF if needed.

Looks a bit light for a back rower in SL. If nobody else is drafted in I reckon Minns on the bench to come on to take centre whilst Jimmy does a stint in the back row. I reckon a surprise or two in store tonight, wouldn't surprise me if Ablett made an early return, he cant be that far off now.

Still got about 3 weeks left IIRC

The point most of us were making re-rotation and the U19's getting gametime is wrt the post season comments about rotation and the obvious blooding of youngsters in form.
No-one ever suggested we should have 10 1st choice players missing out for the younger lads to get gametime.
Just so we are clear also earlier rotation would have prevented players like Minns ,Baldwinson and to a certain extent Sutcliffe coming in cold into a team lacking form.
Injuries are part of this tough sport we all love but as has been proved the current Coach isn't unknown for playing players busted ,lack of subs or even letting them call the onfield shots (JP at Magic W/E).
I also hope these kids aren't judged on how good they may or may not be whilst playing in a decemated team.
Finally Keinhorst ,Sutcliffe ,Singleton and to a certain extent Minns have shown they won't let anyone down nor thay they are way out of their depth as some suggested they would be.