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| Quote ="Dave Heron's Moustache"Individuals who follow guidelines put in place by a vast legal concensus. Individuals who can be challenged at appeal if their judgement is seen to be outside normal established guidlines. Ultimately a decision if contentious can be decided by a panel of judges, law Lords or the European Court.'"
By which time you have most likely spent unnecessary time depriced of your liberty!!
Read the YEP and the sentances given out by Hoffman and compare to similar offences and the sentances doled out by others.
Read any local paper at the judgements - driving without insurance should be a really simply judgement 1st time £100, second time £200 etc but look at the desparity - a judicial system needs to be transperent and equitable
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Read any local paper at the judgements - driving without insurance should be a really simply judgement 1st time £100, second time £200 etc but look at the desparity - a judicial system needs to be transperent and equitable'"
So you wouldn't differentiate between being a day late with a renewal, and driving for weeks with no intention of insuring?
Beside the point, but the size of fine you propose would make it cheaper to go without that actually get insured.
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| Quote ="Richie"So you wouldn't differentiate between being a day late with a renewal, and driving for weeks with no intention of insuring?
Beside the point, but the size of fine you propose would make it cheaper to go without that actually get insured.'"
nope. you should be insured if driving. it's the drivers responsibility to be insured
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"
Read any local paper at the judgements - driving without insurance should be a really simply judgement 1st time £100, second time £200 etc but look at the desparity - a judicial system needs to be transperent and equitable'" The fines for driving without insurance should be a lot higher than the premium would be for the car/driver without the insurance. A fine of £100 is hardly going to make someone who had a £2000 premium get insurance!
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"By which time you have most likely spent unnecessary time depriced of your liberty!!
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You were talking about sentencing, not the verdict. If you think a custodial sentence is too long or too short there is an appeals process. Sentencing guidlines are in place and they are not decided by one person, any judgement must comply with guidlelines or it is open to challenge.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"fair point, it's not impartial.
yet you seem happy to believe "what you were told", so hearsay and tittle tattle is ok and must be the truth then'" I never said I believed it, just that I heard it.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"fair point, it's not impartial.
yet you seem happy to believe "what you were told", so hearsay and tittle tattle is ok and must be the truth then'"
Dont you just love the forum Tad with all these who are " in the know " See you tonight old boy dont forget the sweeties
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| Quote ="joshua102"Dont you just love the forum Tad with all these who are " in the know " See you tonight old boy dont forget the sweeties
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| Quote ="tad rhino"nope. you should be insured if driving. it's the drivers responsibility to be insured'"
Or driving at 77mph on the motorway and 245mph?
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| Quote ="G1"Shouldn't you have PM'd that?'"
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| Quote ="G1"Shouldn't you have PM'd that?'"
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"
Read any local paper at the judgements - driving without insurance should be a really simply judgement 1st time £100, second time £200 etc but look at the desparity - a judicial system needs to be transperent and equitable'"
They are transparent and equitable, the reason that they vary is that they are linked to the offenders income.
I agree that in general they are too low in comparison to the cost of insurance. On the plus side these days the police do confiscate the cars, crush the old wrecks and only release the more expensive ones when the owner produces a certificate of insurance and pays a hefty "storage" fee.
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| Quote ="joshua102"Dont you just love the forum Tad with all these who are " in the know " See you tonight old boy dont forget the sweeties
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ok mate, i'll bring the jelly babies
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| Quote ="joshua102"Dont you just love the forum Tad with all these who are " in the know "'"
Did the judge not make his decision based on ALL the evidence then?
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| Quote ="tad rhino"ok mate, i'll bring the jelly babies
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My turn in Edinburgh
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| you will hide so you don't have to buy them
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| Hard for me to hide
You will hear my 2 so I have no chance
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| very true on both points
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| Could always send them up with you on the Friday
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| more than welcome. i babysat 2 on thursday, aged 2 and 1.
went to bed at half 8 knacked
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| Did the judge not make his decision based on ALL the evidence then?
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| do judges not get it wrong?
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