While in reality he's old enough to be your granddad sonny jim.

I was going to say, after reading some of his other posts, I think it's a couple of years since he last did any school work!

Which makes his teenage temper tantrum on the Saints forum about last Friday's match all the more funny.

Just goes to show that watching the game for a long time and knowing a lot about it aren't necessarily linked.

Oh, and thanks to Lord P for putting more lead into my pencil

I take it Rogues Gallery was too embarrassed to return to this thread after he made a fool of himself again?

I never hide

I didn't realise I had to report in every day.

Had to pick my pension up.



Why did Leeds release all those "top class" props.

O'Carroll and Prescott have both won International caps.

I do hope you win tonight but my points re last Friday still stand.

When and Where ????

O'carroll played for ireland in the world cup and played very well imo!

Correct and Prescott played in the qualifiers but was injured for the finals.

Ah, Ireland.

The dumping ground for players who couldn't get in the England or Australia squads...

I think the word is 'owned.'

under sevens.

I dont think wigan can be criticised for producing youngsters; but their fans should be for their patience with them.

I remember a few years back when Leeds where always the also rans a lot fans getting on the teams back - don't those people look silly now.

If all clubs had chairmen and managers who were as patient and believed in youth as much as Leeds have the last few years, the England team would be in a lot better position.

Fingers crossed, teams have learnt from Leeds recent success and will follow suit. I think the new rules regarding home produced players will work towards this, but I do think they need to be tightened regarding where players can travel from. Leeds Wigan and Saints do seem to sign up a lot of youngsters and let them go, maybe they'd get more of a chance at other clubs to develop? Not blaming the clubs mind.

Anyone else think home produced players U23 should have some kind of exemption from the salary cap? Maybe only half their salaries to count?

Re KL - they dont make em like that over here!

Something I've been asking for over the last four years.

Aye. Been saying that for ageas.

Shame the boys inside the JJB didn't ey??? That way you may stay within the cap.

On a more serious note though I think its a genuinely good idea. It will encourage clubs to bring through talent and it would surely do the England/GB teams a world of good.

On a possible negative however it may mean when players become 23+ there released due to clubs not being able to afford them or rather there not wanting to give them a 100% salary rise. Would be a good thing though.

Because we comply with the salary cap. But that wasn't your question was it old bean, though I can understand why you're trying to change the subject.

Your question was............

....and I think I more than adequately answered you. Of course, none of the players I mentioned have quite hit the heights of O'Carroll and Prescott

but maybe Wigan's record for producing quality props is something Leeds can look to emulate.

i think you will find almost total agreement at Leeds, Bradford, Wigan, Saints, Hull etc for that, problem is some clubs self interest and short term thinking would leave them uncompetitive, at a club like Hull KR or Wakefield you would be asking turkeys to vote for christmas

Definitely think there should be some form of incentive, yes, but the flip side of that is that you then free up cap space for more journeyman non-GB qualified players to fill out the rest of your squad. Saying that, I'm sure there's a way around that.

However, your point on Kylie then shows what's wrong with the British game, why don't we make 'em like that? Maybe we do, but with the wrong ethnicity some clubs aren't giving them the chance to show it?

That's not a dig at you by the way, it's more an observation on the way club administrators are thinking.

Ben Davies is probably the next in line behind Prescott and O'Carroll but isn't quite ready yet. And yes, he is a decent prospect.

I also think that Mossop will move up to prop forward..

O'Carroll may have a broken ankle after Fridays nights game.

That Fielden lad could make it.
He needs to increase his stamina levels to play for longer spells. Needs a fair bit of improvement in tackling, and running in hard but has potential. Still a bit soft though, and not sure he could stand up to a bit of biff.

Well I'm a Hull KR fan and I'd vote for it! Like I said in that post, I think there could do with some tightening up of where youngsters on scholarships/ U18's can travel from. This would protect smaller clubs from helping local amateur clubs out only to see the top players from the teams that benefited signed up by other teams. I think football have some kind of rule regarding this for U16's? Obviously in league we'd have to make this tighter (a player cannot travel further than the lenght of the M62 would not suffice...)

I don't know about that, but I do think the English teams have looked away from lads who are maybe in the mould of props of old, heavy; set etc, viewing them as not being the way forward, and looking to bulk up running forwards rather than condition the those 'big' lads. who are probably much more natural carriers of the ball. I think they hope they're gonna find a Peacock or a Morley but forget they started as 2nd rowers. Why arent they looking for the next Barrie Mc?

In terms of them not building them like that over here, the genetic make up of many of these islanders is something we cant always compete with. just look at Stanley Gene!

I have some sympathy for your position, but I feel you are playing devil's advocate here