Cas winning the league for the first time in there history means everything,One way to shut Fev fans up about a small village winning the league and a small town not.

But won't have won the league. Will have won pole position on the ladder and a home tie in the play offs. You win the league at OT.

wish I was there tonight it looks like close to capacity and fine weather too? so all the hordes from Cas wont moan about getting wet . A lot to play for for both teams a win for cas will be a big stride to the LLS .

You've spent all this time telling us what a great achievement it would be for Cas to win the LLS but then made a mess of it by saying how poor their nearest challengers including a team who just dumped them out of the cup. You might think Hull are poor but no other team has picked up more league wins and points in the last 18 months. If the team who can do that is so poor then why should we be crowning Cas' potential LLS as something good?

You've shat all over your own argument.

Its not winning the league though, the SL winners and champions are recognised by all clubs to be the GF winners.

Cas have never been champions under any system iirc, so surely winning the GF and the title is the main aim

The only reason finishing top is significant for Fev is that they did so between 1974 and 1997, when the league leaders were declared champions, if Cas won the LLS the Fev fans would still point out they had never won the title and they had.

That would be good, if i had actually said what you said, but I didn't, not one iota. I said them winning the LLS as a smaller club is better achivement than a big club playing only five games, three against lower league, to win a CC. That is fundamentally different to what you have just made up.

For the benefit of doubt, I don't for one minute think this Cas team would be top six prior to 2014, and I have voiced this previously, as well you actually do know.

Exactly. Which is why I am talking about this year only, and what is been played out now in comparison.

No one has been saying winning the CC is the better achievement, just the one they'd rather win. Has stopped your whole argument being based around something people haven't said.

Let's not go down making things up. My point, which people keep reffering to was purely them as a smaller club winning the LLS over 29 rounds is a better achievement than a bigger club winning the CC having played three lower league teams, and that was it. Others are the ones picking up the die old argument of which is better and preffered, not me. Not dragging me into that one.

Stop this squabbling and talk about the game now. Leeds by 8-12 after a slow start from Cas.

Not much to add that hasn't been said really until the teamsheets in about an hour, see if there's any late twists there or as expected with the already confirmed absentees.

Nice to have a big match feel for a league game at Headingley. With the Bradford days long gone and the matches vs Saints not what they were several years ago then this one really seems to have whetted people's appetites more akin to those aforementioned fixtures.

Gale playing tonight but not fully fit.

Do we know what part of the body is hurt? Knee, thigh, foot could effect kicking.

ego?

Hairline gone back a further notch.

Has found a family of crows living in his beard

tigers line up like this

rhinos line up

hall in the centre = disaster for me. hope I'm wrong.
walker should start and sutty or moon in the centre's. like I say I hope I'm proved wrong

i too would have loved to see walker start at full back or even in the halves
regarding hall in the centres i just hope that his difficulty with his lateral defence doesn't cause too many problems,if they run good lines at him they could have a field day

Jones Buchanan a big liability here. We ar making far too many errors.

They are much better in backs than us, other than Watkins. Far faster and more energy. More than matching them in forwards.

It's nice that were passionate but we need to dial it back a couple of notches and lose the petulance, Mags and Parcell in particular.

Hicks can't buy a good decision, which doesn't help.

Hicks has been appalling but our ball retention has been worse. We're not going to win the game if we're relying on Cas throwing it to us in their in-goal again, no matter how good our defence.

Give over. How many errors has JJB made and how many tackles?