Wigan by 12 and btw I have not got any predictions right yet

Playing without Parcell will be an enormous challenge!! Wouldn't mind seeing Singleton in the front row too??

Anyone know what's wrong with Jack Walker? if injured, is he out for long? Is Parcell injured too?

Shaun Wane has spoken to Steve Ganson regarding the obstruction rulings and also Oliver Gildart mentions the Rhinos of being guilty in these obstruction transgretions https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9106249 Quote I’d consider dropping a player who milked a penalty, says Wigan boss Wane'" https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9108359 Sounds like a bit of pre game gamesmanship from the Alpha male,Unless Wigan are finally going to resist in using Grubby tactics any longer and taking the letter of the law to the absolute maximum

Shaun Wane has spoken to Steve Ganson regarding the obstruction rulings and also Oliver Gildart mentions the Rhinos of being guilty in these obstruction transgretions https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9106249 Quote I’d consider dropping a player who milked a penalty, says Wigan boss Wane'" https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9108359 Sounds like a bit of pre game gamesmanship from the Alpha male,Unless Wigan are finally going to resist in using Grubby tactics any longer and taking the letter of the law to the absolute maximum

Quote ="The Chin's Back"Shaun Wane has spoken to Steve Ganson regarding the obstruction rulings and also Oliver Gildart mentions the Rhinos of being guilty in these obstruction transgretions https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9106249 https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9108359 Sounds like a bit of pre game gamesmanship from the Alpha male,Unless Wigan are finally going to resist in using Grubby tactics any longer and taking the letter of the law to the absolute maximum'" Gamesmanship pure and simple. As for the claim that he'd consider dropping a player for milking a penalty he'd think about it then tell them to try harder next time.

Quote ="The Chin's Back"Shaun Wane has spoken to Steve Ganson regarding the obstruction rulings and also Oliver Gildart mentions the Rhinos of being guilty in these obstruction transgretions https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9106249 https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9108359 Sounds like a bit of pre game gamesmanship from the Alpha male,Unless Wigan are finally going to resist in using Grubby tactics any longer and taking the letter of the law to the absolute maximum'" Gamesmanship pure and simple. As for the claim that he'd consider dropping a player for milking a penalty he'd think about it then tell them to try harder next time.

Quote ="The Chin's Back"Shaun Wane has spoken to Steve Ganson regarding the obstruction rulings and also Oliver Gildart mentions the Rhinos of being guilty in these obstruction transgretions https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9106249 https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9108359 Sounds like a bit of pre game gamesmanship from the Alpha male,Unless Wigan are finally going to resist in using Grubby tactics any longer and taking the letter of the law to the absolute maximum'" i seem to remember Leeds having try of the season disallowed a few season ago at their place because Joel Tomkins made the wrong read and threw his arms up - we would have broken their 20-odd home game winning run or something if i remember correctly trying to remember Wane moaning about that decision

Quote ="The Chin's Back"Shaun Wane has spoken to Steve Ganson regarding the obstruction rulings and also Oliver Gildart mentions the Rhinos of being guilty in these obstruction transgretions https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9106249 https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9108359 Sounds like a bit of pre game gamesmanship from the Alpha male,Unless Wigan are finally going to resist in using Grubby tactics any longer and taking the letter of the law to the absolute maximum'" i seem to remember Leeds having try of the season disallowed a few season ago at their place because Joel Tomkins made the wrong read and threw his arms up - we would have broken their 20-odd home game winning run or something if i remember correctly trying to remember Wane moaning about that decision

There’s a very easy way to not concede a penalty for obstruction. Don’t send your “support” runners in front of the ball and into the defensive line.

Problem solved.

Obstruction penalties aren’t symptoms of weak defence taking the easy option. They’re symptoms of poor, repetitive attack that can’t create space properly.

What’s worse? A defender waving his arms about because an offside attacker is in his way. Or an attacker deliberately getting in the way of a defender so that his team mate can run through the gap he’s just created.
I know which one is cheating and which one isn’t.

It's almost inevitable isn't it now that it'll happen this Friday in Wigan's favour and the next week he'll have to defend why he isn't dropping the player.

He really shouldn't do interviews, McDermott was great the other year when Tautai cannonballed Cuthbertson and Wane tried to defend him and say the opposition coach shouldn't be commenting on it.

I don't think anybody has a clue what obstruction is or isn't anymore. The game has a major issue with it in my opinion.

The refs sends it up to video ref cos he has no clue but there is no point cos the video ref doesn't know what obstruction is anymore either. It's got over complicated and seems to be total guess work nowadays.

Some you get some you don't. It's ridiculous at moment and needs sorting.

The NRL seem one step ahead of us here (again!). They put much more emphasis on whether the "obstruction" had any ACTUAL & OBVIOUS detrimental effect on the defence's ability to cover. If a defender moves towards the dummy runner (a conscious effort to cover that threat) then that is the defender's fault. If (in the opinion of the VR) the ball has moved so far away from the alleged obstruction that it has had no discernible influence (if that incident hadn't have happened then the attack would have developed in exactly the same way) then no obstruction is called.

Of course this is still open to debate as it involves that word "opinion", but the NRL seem much more consistent in their interpretation. In SL it would not be surprising to see two exactly similar incidents ruled both ways in the same match!

Just like the NRL's much more sensible approach to stripping/losing the ball quandary, where they very much put the emphasis on the ball-carrier's responsibility to hold onto the ball. A penalty is only given if a ref sees an obvious stripping motion from the defender. Although I have to say that SL has got a little better at ruling on this. Maybe the 2 ref system has something to do with their consistency also (can you imagine the quality of our refs should we need to double up on them!!!)

I wonder how many players Wane has dropped when the tackled player clamps his leg round the opposing player to make out he is being held down?
Wigan are probably the biggest culprits of that with Bateman the main offender.

1. Ashton Golding
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Kallum Watkins (C)
5. Ryan Hall
6. Joel Moon
7. Richie Myler
8. Adam Cuthbertson
9. Matt Parcell
10. Brad Singleton
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12. Carl Ablett
13. Stevie Ward
14. Brad Dwyer
15. Brett Delaney
16. Anthony Mullally
22. Ash Handley
27. Cameron Smith
28. Mikolaj Oledzki
30. Josh Walters.
Depending on how fit Cuthbertson is it should be Walters and either Smith or Oledzki who miss out I reckon.
No Keinhorst, Walker, Ferres or Sutcliffe along with Peteru and Garbutt .

Spot on. Any form of deliberate obstruction is cheating and should be penalised even if not near the ball carrier, then perhaps it will stop being coached.

Shaun Wane riding his high horse all the way to saint steve to wail about having a try chalked off and throwing out hollow hypocritical sound bites out to the local rag, must have a big game coming up.

Judging by that.

Golding; Briscoe Watkins Handley Hall; Moon Myler; Mullally Parcell Singleton; Ablett Ward; JJB. Dwyer Delaney Cuthbertson Oledzki/Smith/Walters

Agreed.

Also agree with the comment further above that the obstruction rule has been overcomplicated by the authorities. Instead of sticking to their guns a few years ago they allowed the rule to be bent by attacking sides who insisted on sending runners into the line. Attacking teams have got slightly better at making the obstruction look less obvious but it’s still there.

In the end a player in front of the ball is offside. It should be entirely on that offside players shoulders to not interfere in any way whatsoever with the defensive line. That shouldn’t only include contact with the defence, it should also include causing a defender to deviate their run in any way at all. Defenders shouldn’t have to be stepping around offside attackers.

If an attacker is offside and is in the way of a defender then penalise him. Then like you say teams will coach differently and refine and improve their attack to be properly creative not just chucking blockers into the defensive line and sending someone quick through the gap it’s created.

What if a defender misreads the attack and tackles a dummy runner should the try stand or be disallowed?

Very poor performance imo. Tried to shut up shop too early and invited wigan back into it. 2 points thrown away.

Shut up shop? We never opened it!

Horrendous officials, horrendous game management.

Like to praise Ablett who did do much dirty work.

There for the taking and we blew it. Too many bombed chances.

This isn’t an excuse for losing the game as we did that to ourselves. But it’s so frustrating watching the Wigan players diving around after being tackled trying to win the penalty. Ryan Sutton is the worst for it.

Both teams looked tired. 4th game in 14 days and tonight was a good advertisement for scrapping the double header Easter weekend. Play that 2/3 weeks either side of Easter and it's a much better game.

8-0 up & then sticking to a 1 man drive came back to bite us big time. The bench rotation was questionable at best & once again dumb penalties prove costly.

8-8. Struggling to complete sets while Wigan are gaining 80m a time .... and someone decided a short kick off was a good idea ... literally guaranteeing they would be in drop goal range.

Incredible stupidity.