i think biff and cross would have offered us a bit more go forward, clarky has come along way in 12 months, we may have still lost but i think we these three players in the 17 we'd have seen a much more competitive scoreline

agreed why is JP playing so many minutes, yeah its gonna take him a while yet to get back into the full swing, but he shouldnt have to play so many minutes when theres biff and cross who for whatever reason unable to get in the team.

i know im going on about burgess and cross, but burgess has been one of our best forwards this year, and cross although hes made some cock up hasnt really been given a chance, i think now JP is back then cross could fit in well

On recent showings none of our England players should get selected next Friday (bar Peacock who only gets in because he's captain) so we might not have as many selection headaches for the Hull KR game which is a potential bannana skin...although given the last two games, if all our players get selected for England & The Exciles it will force McDermott's hand into making changes which might be the kick start we need.

Lose next week at home (again) and the knifes will really be out for McDermott

I get the impression you don't like McDermott.

at what point does his position become untenable?

If/when Hull KR put 30 plus on us next Sunday at HQ

Depending on final selection for the England game on Friday will GH be giving more thought to using RFL rules to postpone??

Next Sunday is huge and now a must win game

Why is it a must win?
The last two games were must wins to get a top 4 spot.
Now we are just playing for a playoff spot and hope form will return in the playoffs.(which it won't)

we will never get anywhere with the current coach and we need to a major cull to the team.tonight gaskell,forester and lomax rang us raggied. youth players we need to either by new up and coming talent,better player than hauraki and start a transisional period its hard to say we not a top team now. we need to get rid of mcdermott and get through this season and make a new plan with a more youth team it mat take a couple of seasons but with the right coach and investment in youth and youth from within we willbe back but as as it stands we are stale,old and lacking direction from a coach weild the axe sooner rather than later...

I don't remember Leeds cancelling any game due to International selection under the stewardship of GH. I don't expect that to start now, and given their performances tonight and last week, maybe only Peacock (as captain) will get selected?

Regardless, if you don't win your home games (we don't have a great record so far this year do we...) you don't deserve to make the play offs.

For the teams and fans confidence.

People can take getting beat by Warrington and Saints BUT the performances have been dire and i don't think we dare get beat by Hull KR at HQ.

Put it this way,if we do (get beat and/or not improve on performance) this forum will go into meltdown and make some of the flack on threads this last week look tame

Did anyone cop McDermott's comments re Cross when asked what the situation was with him in this weeks Carnegie Insight interview. He couldnt even properly explain why Cross wasnt getting selected each week. He obviously thinks Hauaraki is a better option, which is worrying, and Biff and Pitts dont seem to be getting the rub of the green either. One has to say Macs team selections leave me for one baffled sometimes.
Lose to Hull KR next week, and it will be time for action, because this is becoming a bit of a joke now, having to listen to McDermott speaking in riddles to explain how we managed to get stuffed again (and again!)!!!!!

He looks lost and way out of his depth and tonight should be the final nail in his Rhinos head coach Coffin imo.

He might not be the best coach or not up to being coach of a top side like Leeds but he can't take all the blame. The way some of the players are suing it's hard to beleive you guys was champs only two years ago.

I don't see Leeds play much but from the games I've seen on sky this year, Webb, burrows, kylie, ali don't look anything like the players they was.

Ryan Bailey IMO it a total waste of cap space. Unless he's trying to cause a fight ( which he then hides) then he's not seen all the game. IMO he's championship standard.

The end of the season is going to be the biggest clear out since the invention of Ex Lax

We have a game plan? and if we do and it doesn't work, there is never a plan B.

I think the clear out should have begun after the 2009 GF

McDermott is not and never will be a top first tea...............oh sod it, can't be d writing any more just one last thing to say
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I will be surprised if he is still in charge next week

I'll be surprised if he isn't.

Most of the tough games are out of the way now with only Wigan and Hudds away.

Plenty of comfortable wins just around the corner against the rabble.

Leeds will finish 5th... that was pretty much confirmed by the result against Saints.

What's bizarre is, when the two 17s were announced tonight you had a team to match us all over the park.

The first 40 mins proved this to be the case. No problem with your game plan then, it was a right arm wrestle.

2nd half, a different Leeds team turned out.

Is this coaching, or confidence? Or are they one and the same?

He will probably see the season out unless we get beat for the next few weeks and the performances dont improve but he's got to go and ASAP.
We look clueless in attack, on the last tackle we just put a poor kick in on the few occasions we get up the right end of the field and get to the last tackle.
Yet down the other end when we are defending our line which is far too often due to silly errors and penalties due to poor discipline we look like conceding almost everytime during the second half.
I know we are low on confidence and shipping points and getting stuffed 2 weeks running doesn't help but is it a fitness problem, are we not as fit as some of the other sides or is it just because we are making errors and having to defend more than the other sides because we compete for the first 40 minutes yet during the second half we are getting blown apart? I remember a mate of mine said when Mac took over that although he's not a great coach one thing he would do was he'd have the team's fitness up to the level of any top side in the league.
This summer we need a real good clear out but the coach needs to be the first one gone and then let the new coach decide who should stay and go.
If we are going to struggle round mid table for a year or two then i'd rather see plenty of the young guys brought through into first team regulars and let them play every week. Hauraki and Cross need to be sent packing along with many more who are past there best or simply not upto it.

He has lost the dressing room

After reading his post match comments it just confirms that he's not up to this job,the bloke is clueless.Macdubmnut out !!!!!!

Half time team talks under him must be fun. Standing leaning against a wall, hands in pockets, staring at the floor. Mr motivator indeed. We needed a fire in the belly speech to get the boys gee'd up and attack from the off in the 2nd half, instead we must have had one of the greatest de-motivational half time talks since last week. One in which we decided to go AWOL for 30 mins letting saints get the crucial momentum and give us the run around and racking up the points for fun.

I was right about the cup and 5th place!

In my defence I had said give him time up until that point!

I also feel I've jumped the gun on Huaraki who has obviously worked tirelessly to make the improvements required and for me was unlucky to miss out last night!