he was unusually "nervous" on the night, i assume this was so you would not be able keep your eyes off him whilst the numbers were put on the balls

I blame Photoshop...

didn't watch it, but the body language, a suggestion stuff he does is bloody clever.

As others have said, that because it is a trick of mis-direction or showmanship... he is not a real Harry Potter!



I think I have worked out how he done it though... and it is quite simple (if I am of course even close to being right!).

The camera does play tricks. In fact half of the show was indeed a live feed, and then if you watch closely the camera wobbles a little for a second and it switches to what's probably a pre-recorded feed.

The guy's full of s**t!

Search UTUBE for Criss Angel Mind Freak

He pishes all over Darren Brown!

How would that work then if we know the lottery bit was live?

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That just looks like good old fashioned magic to me, nothing like what Brown does.

Arghh, but was it broadcast live? When the BBC say it is a live lottery draw, do they mean it is been broadcast live or is it just live in front of the audience at the BBC?

I think the fact that he did not turn the numbers round because he said the BBC have the legal right to broadcast the lottery result first might be the key.

It was not a prediction, it was the result, and that what the legal issue!

I could of course be totally wrong, but that is where my mind is taking me.

He also does use plenty of 'tricks' but never 'camera tricks' so I don't think that was how he did it!

He's getting a full programme out of "a years" work about doing this on friday so I hope it's something better than that.

So he says but can you remember his show on how to win at the races? All he did really was show you that one women winning all the way through, convince you he was great, and then told you the most obvious thing, they had thousands of people betting on all the options and she was the one that was 'lucky' enough to win every race!

Seen him Live when i was in Vegas hot.

Is it brewed by Carlsberg?

If it is, it clearly will not be brewed in Leeds!

I love the 'non-magic' stuff Brown does. Absolutely fantastic when he took on about 12 chess grand masters (or whatever they're called) and managed to beat a couple, lose a couple and draw most. They were gobsmacked, but his trick of copying moves from one game to the next - in effect making these guys play against each other - was sheer briliance. And the guy has some kind of memory to be able to do that.

I dunno about him really, firstly he has to be the most smug person i'v ever seen - although this could just be part of his persona. I think he lost credibility with that russian roulette thing - there is no way that any of the TV companies or producers could sanction that if it was real and even if it was then he's either got balls of steel or a screw loose - not sure which.

With this its clearly a camera trick involved, when Derren Brown says he cant show the numbers for "legal reasons" itll be because there arent any numbers on the balls.Ive found this video on youtube which i think could be the closest to the theory of how he does it.

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If you pause the video at 5.34 you'll see all the balls are level, when he's writing the numbers down its for him to bide time, at 5.52 the first ball is slightly higher than the others by a few mm's

if, as you claim it is a camera trick, what is he going to fill the programme with tonight?

I don't think Derren would risk his credibility with a cheap stunt like that.

Thats my thoughts on the programme, but you know what the ts are like.

Personally I think that's a rubbish theory and doesn't explain how Derren would've done it.

My guess would be that the paper pad that Derren is writing on isn't actually a paper pad. The pad is an electronic tablet and when Derren is writing the numbers that's when the numbers appear on the balls. The balls aren't normal balls with stickers on, they are blank balls with internal display systems that will react when Derren writes on the pad.

The reason Derren didn't show the balls before the draw wasn't because of legal reasons, it was because the balls were blank.

...and he has never used them before and always says that there is no technical 'tricks' involved in his stunts and it is always (once more for effect) mis-direction and showmanship.

The only thing that bugs me about him not showing the balls is that he used the word 'result', not prediction when he said that he could not show them for legal reason reason!

If it was a predication of any kind why would that be a problem, unless he knew the result and therefore was not entitled to broadcast it before the BBC. The key is of course that it is impossible for anyone to 'predict' the balls, so for me he must have somehow know the result in advance (hence the word result) or if he didn't, then somehow the balls have been swapped out/mark-up etc in the seconds from the live result and him walking over and turning round the balls!

So, he could genuinely not turn the balls around because he knew it was the RESULT and will tell us how he knew the RESULT before it appeared on BBC.

Or, he could not turn the ball around because he did not know the result before hand and used the legal statement to explain why he did not turn them round and somehow he was able to show the balls with the correct numbers on them!

Of course, both could be wrong!

Yes your right but it doesn't bug me becuase I know that Derren Brown is not actauly "magic" and cannot predict the lottery munbers, his trick is to make people think he can predict the lottery numbers and he did it.

David Copperfield never walked through the great wall of china he just made it look like he did.

The leagal reason for not showing the numbers first was quite obviously a cover, first of all it was not a result he would of been announcing it would of been a prediction.

What makes me laugh is the people on youtube and various other websites calling it a "hoax", WTF do these people think a magic trick is

He f**** did. I saw it and he did. He walked right through it.