It was a genuine opinion we are allowed them.

I've read them and they seem just to be an expression of opinion, no real harm in that, unless you just want to pick fault.

What happened?

well who would have thought..............



i will hold my hands up and admit that my pre season predictions were useless as per usual

if tvoc wouldn't mind doing his usual scores on the doors calculations then we can see which poster had the crystal ball for 2017

I don't mind at all. Just need to find a moment in the schedule. Should be up in a day or three.

hi tvoc i hope that everything is ok as you haven't been on here for a while now and that you have just forgotten to do the maths

Have we had one on yet? Can see one on the VT but not here.

If not then here's mine...........

After 23 rounds:
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Saints
Castleford
Leeds
Hull FC
Warrington
Wigan
Wakefield
Huddersefield
Catalan
Hull KR
Salford
Widnes


Top 4 after Super 8s
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Saints
Leeds
Hull
Warrington

LLS: Saints
GF: Leeds
Challenge Cup winners: Saints

Relegated: Widnes


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ST's
Leeds
Cas
Hull
Wire
Wigan
Wakey
Giants
Salford
HKR
Catalans
Widnes

Top 4 after super 8's
ST's
Leeds
Cas
HFC

LLS-ST's CC- Cas GF-Rhinos
Relegated--Widnes Promoted-Leigh

Hull
Saints
Wire
Leeds
Cas
Wigan
Wakey
Hudds
Salford
Widnes
HKR
Catalans

After 8s:
Saints
Hull
Leeds
Wire

GF Saints
CC Leeds

No one relegated, Toronto and Leigh both promoted.
Or if the system isn't changed, none of the SL teams to lose their place.

after 23 rounds

1: st helens
2: hull fc
3: tigers
4: rhinos
5: wolves
6: wigan
7: wakefield
8: huddersfield
9: catalans
10: salford
11: hull kr
12: widnes

top 4 sides after super 8's
1: saints
2: hull fc
3: rhinos
4: tigers

lls: saints
cc: tigers
gf: rhinos

no relegation for 2019 imo as it will be a 14 team competition and that leigh and toronto will both join the sl competition

(ps i hope everything is ok with tvoc as he hasn't posted on here for quite a while and he also always does the spreadsheet for the end of season results table)

I'm sure he'll be back when Leeds start losing.

TVOC'S ok its the shapeshifting troll that gets me

1. Saints
2. Hull FC
3. Castleford
4. Leeds
5. Wire
6. Wakefield
7. Hudds
8. Wigan
9. Hull Kr
10. Catalans
11. Salford
12. Widnes

1. Saints
2. Hull FC
3. Leeds
4. Wire

LLC. Saints
CC. Castleford
GF. Hull FC

Don't expect a SL team to go down in current format. If competition is expanded expect to see Leigh and London promoted after finishing 1st and 2nd respectively.

1. Saints
2. Wigan
3. Castleford
4. Wire
5. Leeds
6. Hull FC
7. Hudds
8. Catalans
9. Hull Kr
10. Salford
11. Wakefield
12. Widnes

1. Saints
2. Wigan
3. Wire
4. Leeds

LLC. Saints
CC. Waigan
GF. Saints

Relegated: Widnes

Promoted: Leigh

Saints
Cas
Leeds
Hull
Warrington
Wigan
Wakey
Catalans
Salford
Huddersfield
Hull kr
Widnes

After the 8s

Saints
Cas
Leeds
Hull

Cc hull
Gf saints

Before the split

Saints
Leeds
Warrington
Hull
Wigan
Cas
Catalans
Huddersfield
Widnes
Hull KR
Wakefield
Salford

Top 4
Saints
Leeds
Warrington
Hull

CC Leeds
GF Saints

Saints
Warrington
Hull
Leeds
Castleford
Wigan
Huddersfield
Catalans
Wakefield
Hull KR
Widnes
Salford

Top 4
Saints
Hull
Warrington
Leeds

CC Castleford
GF Saints

1. Saints - Started to look like they were coming good late last year.
2. Hull - Should be up there but depends on how they cope without Ellis.
3. Leeds - Even without McGuire they know how to win.
4. Castleford - Hangover from last year and losing Hardaker will set them back.
5. Wakefield - Good squad depth will see them pick up points over smaller less experienced squads.
6. Wigan - Lost a few players and don't seem to have replaced them properly, looking stale.
7. Warrington - So much depends on new coach. Players tossed it off last year not a good sign.
8. Hudds - They should be capable of this if they keep key men injury free.
9. Catalans - Depends if McNamara can change the loose culture at the club, I'd guess not.
10. Salford - Still have some quality but not much depth - can see them in the bottom 2 if they get injuries.
11. Hull KR - Not much stronger than when they went down.
12. Widnes - Lacking quality and depending on the kids coming through.

Nobody will get relegated from SL.

GF - Saints
CC - Leeds

Before the split
1: Saints
2: Tigers
3: Rhinos
4: Hull FC
5: Wolves
6: Wigan
7: Wakefield
8: Giants
9: Dragons
10: Salford
11: Hull KR
12: Widnes

Top 4
1: Saints
2: Tigers
3: Rhinos
4: Hull FC

CC: Tigers
GF: Rhinos

1: Leeds
2: Saints
3: Wigan
4: Cas
5: Warrington
6: Hull FC
7: Catalans
8: Huddersfield

9: Salford
10: Hull KR
11: Wakefield
12: Widnes

the final top 4 play off sides will be
1: Leeds
2: Wigan
3: Saints
4: Warrington

the 4 sides that will rejoin sl in 2018 will be
9: Salford
10: Wakefield
11: Widnes
12: Hull KR

gf winner: Leeds
cc winner: Saints

Before the split
1: Saints
2: Tigers
3: Hull FC
4: Rhinos
5: Wolves
6: Wigan
7: Wakefield
8: Giants
9: Dragons
10: Salford
11: Hull KR
12: Widnes

Top 4
1: Saints
2: Tigers
3: Hull FC
4: Rhinos

CC: Tigers
GF: Saints

1: Saints
2: Cas
3: Wigan
4: Leeds
5: Warrington
6: Hull FC
7: Catalans
8: Huddersfield

9: Salford
10: Hull KR
11: Wakefield
12: Widnes

the final top 4
1: Saints
2: Wigan
3: Cas
4: Leeds

4 Teams after qualifiers
9: Salford
10: Wakefield
11: Widnes
12: Toronto

gf winner: Saints
cc winner: Leeds

After 23 rounds
1 Saints
2 Cas
3Leeds
4 Wire
5 Hull
6 Wigan
7 Wakefield
8 Catalan
9 Hull KR
10 Huddersfield
11 Widnes
12 Salford

Top 4 after 30
1 Saints
2 Cas
3 Wire
4 Leeds

GF Cas
CC Leeds

Saints
Castleford
Leeds
Warrington
Wigan
Hull FC
Wakefield
Huddersfield
Catalans
Hull KR
Widnes
Salford

Final top four
Castleford
Leeds
Saints
Wigan

SL - Leeds
CC - Saints

Hmmm, hope this isn't too late:

1. St Helens
2. Hull FC
3. Leeds
4. Castleford
5. Wigan
6. Warrington
7. Huddersfield
8. Catalans
9. Salford
10. Hull KR
11. Wakefield
12. Widnes

Top 4 end of season
1. St Helens
2. Leeds
3. Castleford
4. Hull FC

All 4 Super League teams to stay up after the 8s

CC: Hull FC
GF: St Helens