Jimmy is an excellent squad player, who gives his all in whichever position he his required to play.

Exactly.
In a salary capped sport not everyone can be a superstar but they can have a superstar attitude.

Bit extreme, as usual.


He'd be an asset to any squad in SL. I wrote him off a few years ago but he's more than proved me, you and many others on here to be very wrong in the last 2 seasons.

He might not be a world beater but any club in SL would happily take him. He is a great asset off the bench and to cover several positions.

me too. I have held my hands up already in 2015 when he proved his worth. an excellent squad man with a superb attitude.

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Nobody is questioning his attitude - but he is a very average player - he is squad player who would only get a game if other players got injured and that tells its own story.

If you can't get a start in a team that finished in the bottom four of a very ordinary league what does that really say about the standards of your skill set.

On here many see players through blue and amber glasses and that inflates their abilities beyond what they can actually deliver.

who is saying he is a great player? people just realise the value of a player like keinhorst.he may not be an automatic starter but he is certainly a top 20 player and the fact he can cover various roles makes him a good player to have.i don't imagine he will be on a big wedge, and you always know he will be giving his all for the shirt and to be fair rarely lets you down these days, i don't really get whats not to like about having a player like him in the squad.

I can see both sides tbh. On the one hand it's a bit harsh to identify Keinhorst's lack of quality when he has such heart. On the other, one issue with the current squad is there are a few too many with similar attributes. Though thankfully none that are low in quality and have no heart.

You can also argue that he doesn't get a start because of the quality of our backline.

21 14 win.

Can anyone who went give us the gen on how Sutcliffe and Lilley performed? Ta.

Sutcliffe broke the line well and ran strong but no sign of running good ball plays. Lilley when he got on started at 9 the moved into the halves and was the only real half to provide that structure. Didn't see anything of note from Aston, would have liked to see him engage the line before passing. Lack of ball retention overall in a scratchy performance.

Others to note, Baldwinson, JJR ormondroyd ran well as did Oledzki but his ball retention was a worry. Sunderland looked immobile and lumbering in defence though hit the ball up strong enough. Well done to owen trout too making his debut at 17.

As stated Sutty broke the line a fair few times but was short of back up no plays of any consequence made
Lilley when he came on got us going forward and made a big difference
Ashton watched him twice now will need to step up 100% if he wants a place.
Baldwinson, Ormonroyd ran well and did their prospects no harm
another scratchy game with very few moves worked on
but an enjoyable game all the same

Cheers for the updates Seth/digger!
Pleased for Owen Trout he had an excellent season last year imo he & Tommy Holdroyd in tandem was great to watch.
Do you reckon Baldwinson Ormanroyd Jjr & Olejdski could get 1st team games?

Cheers gents - bet your analysis is better than LE or the YEP manage.

Quiet a decent game and there were a few as stated before who did their cause no harm
Alll mentioned should get a run out at some time or another but how do you keep them match fit so they can step in when needed. I like the look of Ormondroyd, could be a good find does plenty of work and not afraid to muck in, Baldwinson also ran hard and covers a lot of ground. As stated Olesjski hits hard and looks a prospect couldnt tell about JJR because of the numbering eyes not what they were. Have to say again not impressed with Aston at all but early days I suppose

I think he is a much better centre than second row, but can't get a game if Moon and Watkins stay fit. Times he filled in for Moon he looked a quality player. As good as most of the what's out there for sure.

I agree and would say that to label him as just average is most unfair. He has good hands, reasonable pace and good strength and stamina. He has a very good defense and has good rugby awareness and runs very good lines and has a knack of scoring important tries. I fact I would say that if Watkins would make the same sort of angled runs he would be a much better player. If he is just average then you would have to say there are many below average players in SL

I'd agree that his biggest strength is his all around skill set. He hasn't been able to coast and rely on athleticism like a lot of centres in recent times (Atkins and to a certain extent, Watkins, Yeaman etc) and is a far better player for it.

That is the nature of averages

Whatever you rate Keinhorst, you have to say that we would have no issues if for some reason he ended up starting every game at either second row or centre
Thats a pretty good asset to have for a player who will not regularly be in the starting 13

If we are picking a 13 on recent form/merit he starts in the SR before Ablett or Delaney imo.

Couldn't agree more. If he isn't in the 17 he's be my 18th man for sure. He's real solid in defence, got a fantastic attitude and in attach scored us 11 tries last year. Which I think for a second row/centre is good!

Does he start before Ward or Ferres?

no. but he has earned a starting shirt now and it should be his to lose. A back three of Keinhorst, Ferres and Ward would be fair enough for me.