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| Quote ="Gotcha"Arrested for assault in his early days, and done for biting someone's ear in a game in another. Tantrums at refs when things did not go his way.
Sorry, but explain the difference to what we are talking about here now with Hardaker?
I agree, Graham is an extremely good captain, but as I said previously sometimes captaincy is what changes someone, and you might not have seen it in them before, especially considering specific indiscretions.'"
Where do you get the info from that Graham was arrested for assault? I don't ever remember that happening!
And he's always denied the biting charge. It's always been a dubious charge to start with given that there was no footage of his mouth around Slater's ear. And Slater did refuse to provide medical evidence of the alleged bite. Proof only has to be on the balance of probabilities in the civil arena.
Graham is an excellent captain. He was an excellent captain at Saints, alongside Wello.
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| Quote ="Claypitrhino"Now I'm gonna try something that might be difficult for some people on here, lets be logical and play detective for a moment.
YEP article this afternoon says 'A 22-year-old man confronted ONE of the men and was assaulted, suffering black eyes and bruising to his ears and neck.'
Now the ONE would suggest to me that it was only one of the men that attacked the guy. With that in mind, think back to the original article in which the male with a striking resemblance to Minchella, was the only one to have a close up image posted. With logical thinking in mind people, who does that suggest assaulted the guy? IMO that would be the male with a striking resemblance Minchella.
Obviously this may not be what has actually happened, but like I said IMO this is what everything seems to point to at the moment, and may also explain why Hardaker remained in the 19 and Minchella was completely dropped from the U19s.'"
I thought of that too but thought best just to wait and see. But you're right, both the the original article and today's state ONE person.....so it might only be one whose done anything physical.
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| Doesn't matter who punched, attacked, whatever. What the hell were they doing in a building they shouldn't be in, trying to enter rooms they shouldn't be in, and in the middle of the night? It's poor behaviour what ever.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Doesn't matter who punched, attacked, whatever. What the hell were they doing in a building they shouldn't be in, trying to enter rooms they shouldn't be in, and in the middle of the night? It's poor behaviour what ever.'"
Do you believe everything you read in a newspaper? Like I've said we don't know exactly what's happened, that's just one persons side of the story that could be complete horseradish. The article suggested they went back with several others so looks like an after party may be the reason for being there.
Personally I don't know what they were doing out on a Monday night at all anyway!
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Doesn't matter who punched, attacked, whatever. What the hell were they doing in a building they shouldn't be in, trying to enter rooms they shouldn't be in, and in the middle of the night? It's poor behaviour what ever.'"
They were probably let in somehow, looking for someone in particular (probably female). I've been in the Opal building at roughly the same time midweek.....you can't just sneak in, it pretty tight security wise.
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| Quote ="Claypitrhino"Now I'm gonna try something that might be difficult for some people on here, lets be logical and play detective for a moment.
YEP article this afternoon says 'A 22-year-old man confronted ONE of the men and was assaulted, suffering black eyes and bruising to his ears and neck.'
Now the ONE would suggest to me that it was only one of the men that attacked the guy. With that in mind, think back to the original article in which the male with a striking resemblance to Minchella, was the only one to have a close up image posted. With logical thinking in mind people, who does that suggest assaulted the guy? IMO that would be the male with a striking resemblance Minchella.
Obviously this may not be what has actually happened, but like I said IMO this is what everything seems to point to at the moment, and may also explain why Hardaker remained in the 19 and Minchella was completely dropped from the U19s.'"
Minchella's been dropped for fighting. Make of that what you will.
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| Quote ="Claypitrhino"Now I'm gonna try something that might be difficult for some people on here, lets be logical and play detective for a moment.
YEP article this afternoon says 'A 22-year-old man confronted ONE of the men and was assaulted, suffering black eyes and bruising to his ears and neck.'
Now the ONE would suggest to me that it was only one of the men that attacked the guy. With that in mind, think back to the original article in which the male with a striking resemblance to Minchella, was the only one to have a close up image posted. With logical thinking in mind people, who does that suggest assaulted the guy? IMO that would be the male with a striking resemblance Minchella.
Obviously this may not be what has actually happened, but like I said IMO this is what everything seems to point to at the moment, and may also explain why Hardaker remained in the 19 and Minchella was completely dropped from the U19s.'"
You talk sense
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| Ashton Golding starts!!!
Pleased to see him get the chance whatever the circumstance, but I think we may lose this now, IMO he's not physically strong enough to face a team like Warrington.
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| From what I have seen of Golding so far he looks a very good attacking rugby player with a head up awareness and has show on more than one occasion a touch of class too rarely seen these days. I am sure Warrington will seek to put him under pressure and he will need the help and experience of Hall and Briscoe which I am also sure he will get. He has the chance to play himself into a regular spot and could provide that attacking link we have missed since Webb's best days.
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| How the hell is that grounded????
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| That is a joke of a decision
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| How the hell was that not a knock on??!!!!
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| Jeez I'm a neutral doncaster fan but how the hell did the vr not see a knock on there
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| Ridiculous decision.
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| Screwed twice by this new 'on-field' ref decision
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| The Penny try I don't mind. It's borderline whether it's obstruction or not.
The Ratchford one, I thought it was a knock on, but it's very very close. It all depends whether Ratchford's fingers are still on the ball when it first touches down over the line and I don't think the VR looked closely enough at that.
Ignore what the eejits in the Sky commentary team were saying, Ratchford touched it. It's whether he was still touching it when the ball touched the ground or not.
Yet another example of tedry from the ex-head of referees to not be able to see that Ratchford touched it. I make that example #5 so far from Mr Cummings. I hope he knew the rules better when he was refereeing.
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| Can't see the result as last week - wolves seem in total control. Leeds seem to be finding it hard to open them up
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| Quote ="Him"The Penny try I don't mind. It's borderline whether it's obstruction or not.
The Ratchford one, I thought it was a knock on, but it's very very close. It all depends whether Ratchford's fingers are still on the ball when it first touches down over the line and I don't think the VR looked closely enough at that.
Ignore what the eejits in the Sky commentary team were saying, Ratchford touched it. It's whether he was still touching it when the ball touched the ground or not.
Yet another example of tedry from the ex-head of referees to not be able to see that Ratchford touched it. I make that example #5 so far from Mr Cummings. I hope he knew the rules better when he was refereeing.'"
Can't even hear the commentary. Just from viewing both groundings look dodgy and would've been no-try's last year under the old system.
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| Do VRs have a time limit when deciding? With the amount of time he was looking at the various angles and the final shot he looked at I thought it would have been a definite no try as I definitely though the ball hit Ratchford's hand and changed direction.
Then the Try came up and I couldn't understand why he hadn't looked further on and seen whether there was an actual grounding.
Watching on my laptop so it's not the best way to view, but I thought it looked ridiculous.
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| Kicking game as good as ever
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| Quality play from the captain!!
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| Sinfield has been shocking again.
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