Anyone else think. Taylor's try was a no try? The one replay they didn't use when it went to the video ref showed the ball was on top of Zak's foot before it was released

It was right in front of us and the ball was definitely grounded. The only question was if his momentum was stopped.

I'll be putting that one up as a question on the "Ask the Ref" thing on Twitter.

If that had happened in midfield and Taylor had got up and set off running, I'm pretty sure he would have called back. So why would he be allowed to promote the ball over the line?

Because the ball or ball carrying arm hadn't hit the ground. Perfectly legitimate try.

On the game: Great win for Leeds and well worthy of it. Great defence and, as I've said elsewhere, the best 1-5 in SL. To nullify it we'd have needed to dominate in the pack and that was never going to happen with the likes of James and Dudson and Clubb at loose forward. Add Flower, Pettybourne and, most importantly, O'Loughlin to that pack and play Clubb in the front row where he is most effective and I wouldn't be surprised to see the result reversed. Interesting that some on here think that Wigan didn't 'trouble the Leeds line' or that 'the score flattered Wigan' (sic). There were 2 or 3 occasions where we were held up over the line and several clean breaks that were just a support player or finding the right man with the pass away from tries. The last Green break where the support player was Dudson (!) for example. Not the usual slick performance from Wigan that you might expect, by any means, but to say that the margin should have been wider in Leeds favour is getting carried away a little. Leeds converted most of their opportunities, Wigan didn't. Simple as that really. That said, Leeds were undoubtedly the better side last night and your scramble defence in particular was outstanding. Hopefully that will be the first round of many this season!

Phuzzy-Whilst you correctly point to chances you had the "held up" chances were never going to be scores imo so I'm not sure they can be counted as "missed chances" per say.
We also bombed 2 or 3 scores so that said I think we were more than worthy of the 16pt winning margin.
Once again I thought our 2 "old war-horses" upfront laid a good solid platform ,our back 3 were outstanding and the whole Team effort was very good throughout.

Although Leeds were hungrier and certainly more ruthless with ball in hand I dont think the win was as emphatic or comfortable as being made out. Two of the tries were blatent knock ons, possible a third but it was a 50/50 one. In the first ten minutes there were three particularly harsh calls that didnt lead directly to a try but mounted huge pressure, something you expect at Headingley. Add to that the 5 missing key players and it was always a big ask for Wigan. Looking forward to the magic return and hopefully a stronger ref.

Wigan fans moaning at the ref... Glass houses and all that

It was an excellent win, given we were missing Aiton and burrow, we as expected were a bit disjointed at times, but our hunger in defence is the biggest pleasing factor so far this season.

I know a lot of people have been saying hardaker has really improved this year, but for me he has always been top class, he is just maturing as a player. He is by a mile the best full back in SL, and fully deserved his motm award last night.

Hall outstanding again, and was imo, the other closest contender to hardaker as motm.

Clarkson had his best game in ages for us, and peacock and Kylie again led from the front. Delaney wasn't as good as he was last week, which I thought was his best game this year, but the effort he puts in week in week out Ill let him off

The kindest thing I can say about that opinion is that it highlights your somewhat niave view of the game of RL.

Watch our tackle game down the middle rucks and its first man flying in then lots of bodies following up some times 4 and 5. Yes on a couple of occassions a Leeds defender might get bumped off in the melee but thats not a "missed" tackle in my book. FAR TO OVER A SIMPLIFICATION.

I take it thats Delaney playing to instructions tackle wise and I repeat over 30 tackles and 13 carries is a great contribution playing in the middle of the park.



Thats your opinion but I reserve the right to contradict it on an open forum. My apologies if your such a sensitive soul that this upsets you.

Blatant knock on's????? I must have watched a different game to you

We also had Aiton, Burrow and Jones-Buchanan missing

There was no evidence of a knock on in either incident (i assume you mean hall 1st half, peacock 2nd). If hall did touch it, which isn't clear, at worst it went backwards because the wigan player kicked it out of his hands. With the peacock incident there was no seperation between his hands and the ball whilst it was on the floor, so why would it be a knock on?

I'm not sure what the 3 harsh calls were?

Apart from that, I agree with your point about the allaged emphatic nature of the victory. For periods in that game wigan were on top. But that just highlights the quality of leeds in defence and attack that they turn out a comfortable win on the scoreboard despite that.

I suspect they are including a tackler getting bumped off but if the attempt stops the ball carrier progressing and also allows the follow up defenders to halt the attack then thats harsh IMHO but I guess that allows some to grind out their negative / jaundiced views.

It's Phil Clarke, hi Phil !!

The one for Zak Hardaker try Ryan Hall knocked on before gelling and the Peacock one on any other day is given a knock on but didn't see any more. Also i thought Leeds got a few calls last night, but don't think it would have changed the result anyway. Who would Jones Buchanan replace at the moment?

Take Peacock, Luelaui and Ablett out of the team and it might even it up on the injury front but its just part and parcel of the game.

Problem we had before during this season is playing too cautious against the top teams in attack. We've gotten the balance better in these last two games in terms of doing the basics & hard stuff yet coming up with the kind of play to score past the better sides.

We could've scored more points in both games but fortunately one of this teams strengths for a few years now is not panicking if the scoreboard isn't reflective of the game. That's to do with the amount of leaders we have in our team and something that is quite telling with how the season is panning out so far.....

Wigan - Don't look the same without O'Loughlin
Saints - Got the quality but don't have many leaders
Wire - Lost most of theirs last year and don't have many left
Hudds - Brough is too busy spitting his dummy out this year.

Forgive my juvenile use of the smilies but its just so nice to read the occassional great insight on a great game.

i agree with every word too

It was clear watching the warm up Clarkson was going to play 9, surely Wigan had somebody watching the warm up?

but of course the game stats prove we are just plain wrong.

Lies, damn lies and statistics?

Thought it was an excellent team performance from all 17 players last night.
As one of Hall's biggest critics I have to say I thought he was superb once again.
Really pleased he has listened to my advice by running straight instead of sideways.
Seriously a great performance bettered only by Hardaker.
Enjoyed JP first winding up Bateman then running straight at him putting his hand right in his face.

How old are you? 10 or something.

Good Morning Petal.

Maybe you could answer a simple question - if the stats are in reality worthless why do all the clubs invest so much money in collecting them and seemingly hold much store in what they reveal?

If you think we are obsessed take a look at the NRL - the pinnacle of the world game - they real go to town on the detail!!

Now I know you believe you can gauge every impact from your cosy place in the stands, if you can then the professionals should be able to - if that is the case why bother with the stats?

Could I suggest that they use of combination of the two, gut instinct backed up by the facts?

obviously it's the combination of reviewing the footage and looking at the stats. I also imagine that having a professional level of insight helps