Are we taking a month at Featherstone and a winter sorting his head out in Australia as evidence that Peacock - two clubs in 16 years - is a "journeyman"???

Anyway, the point is that maybe Butriss can fill a hole and do a job but if we really are looking at the likes of him it means we're a fair way down the list and moves for Ballin, Clark, Houghton and the like must not have come off.

When Hodgson has missed games this season, Buttriss has come straight into the starting line-up and Baptiste has remained on the bench IIRC.

i remember when we signed Aiton, i was one that said he was a decent enough signing,mainly because it would mean we would have a traditional 9 again and not be totally reliant on Burrow,however i remember there was a lot of meh reactions from the majority of the board.Its only really this season he has stood out, albeit has to be said in a team that has really clicked into top gear on the whole anyway. I agree with smokey TA, in that most experienced bog standard genuine hookers could slot into the role left by Aiton and we wouldn't lose a right lot if anything.Crucially, we need someone, even if it has to be a stop gap like Butriss.

I agree. We just need an Out and Out Hooker to defend the middle and get us good meters from Dummy Half. Leeds should be attracting quality though.

I think he was the clubs player of the year and fans player of the year. The Wakey board said he was their best by some distance. Was he their captain also?

90% of SL players are of the "journeyman" status - there are a few really top players. The really top players are all playing in the NRL - compare the skills and technique on show today and tomorrow with what will be on offer on Sunday - the gap is massive.

If you look at the players you mentioned even his agent wouldn't describe Kylie as anything more than an average JMan player. Cuthbertson has looked good at this level - bit like Gaskell in L1 - but he wasn't a huge success in the NRL. Aiton is a good average SL player nothing more, he was fortunate to get a chance in a top side. Would you swap him for Clark or Roby or MciLorum? They are top players Aiton is not at that level IMO. He is like Henderson solid JMan player. It will be a lot easier to replace him than Sinfield or Peacock.

I dont think thats fare when applied to Cuthbertson, the guy has been a revelation because he's allowed to play a more free style of game. Props in Australia are almost robotic in whats expected there. He's playing with a smile on his face and is clearly a bloke enjoying himself , having got a away from an almost formulaic game , he is now free to display exactly how skilfull a player he is.

I only hope we end up with a replacement "journeyman", as Smokey puts it, that ends up even half as good as Aiton has been for Leeds this season. If we get that great, but in Super League you will only find two or three at that level, therefore I only hope there is as many of these "Journeyman" stars in the NRL as thought, as we have seen many of these previous "Journeyman" NRL stars grace super league with nothing more than failed money grabbing performances. For every star who has come from there and excelled, there has been another three that have failed.

As for would I swap Aiton for Clark or Roby? in a heartbeat. Would I swap him for McILorum? god no. Aiton has more skill in his little toe than MCIlorum has in him, yet above Aiton is put down for skill. I suppose it depends what you are looking for in a hooker. Some hookers give great defence, some give great scoots, some give great distribution, and some have good kicking with it. Players like Roby and Clark can give you the lot, and yes that is what you want in an ideal position. Aiton gives you good defence, good distribution, uses head, and can scoot. McILorum gives you the h0use side to a player that some people like, but offer nothing to entertainment, but he can tackle.

Leeds either need an 80 minute hooker who can give everything, a top star, or they need a player who can play hooker for 40 mins, to be spelled with Burrow, and can go back on to play in the pack, therefore utilized more, with a good defensive game.

...... some people just don't like to be 'wrong' it seems.

Exactly!

Sal talks much sense, but he also seems to often have a 'bee in his bonnet' about certain individuals, or that the NRL is the utopia of the sport ..and he will do anything to try vindicating his argument with many sound valid points, but then spoils these points by revealing his underlying prejudice (e.g Sinfield - who was 'skinned' by the Catalans left winger, but who would have been joined by the vast majority of other Leeds players too, if not all - and Hardaker - too numerous examples of 'bad play' to be mentioned).
The NRL is a fanatastic competition with ALL teams competing equally, but the SL is a better vehicle for seeing the likes of Cuthbertson show his array of talents as has been [i[uproven.[/u[/i

I reckon, (yep this is a purely speculative prediction, I have no neighbour who went to school with the time keepers tea boy) That the Sleeve has already sorted a Hooker but will hold on the announcement until after the NZ game. In the meantime I reckon we will be linked with every conceivable Ausi hooker who might possibly be leaving his current club.

Bang on as that's how Gary operates

Put it this way. Since 2004 we have seen at hooker for leeds (for a reasonable period) Diskin, Buderus, Burrow, Millard, Mcshane, Aiton, Duneman, and lunt.

In terms of quality, Aiton is closer to the Millards and McShanes than the Buderus' and Diskins

Is he hell, that is just not true. He certainly is no Buderus, but neither are any of the players you mentioned. Aiton has had as influential season on Leeds as any Diskin had. Whether that makes him better or worse is completely open to opinion, but if you are bracketing players, he would be much closer to that standard, than a second rower like Millard pushed into the hooking role.

He really isn't. Aiton has had two seasons at Leeds, the first to call him bang average was a compliment, the second a decent but pretty short run of form playing off the frontest of front feet.

It's ridiculous that such little achievements see him rated above two home grown harry Sunderland awards winners. That somehow a mid-season run (which whilst exciting RL wasn't particularly special) see a journeyman overseas player rated as more influential than a home grown hooker playing for a side which dominated SL from start to finish, where he was MoM in the grand final and went into the Autumn as GB hooker.

You must be chilling with that coked up monkey again if you think Aiton this year was better and more influential than Diskin in 2004.

I think you are being a little disingenuous here. Cuthbertson looks better here because he has the time to offload as the quality of the defence isn't at the same level as it was in the NRL. He is a good player but he is not at the level of Matt Scott or Jesse Bromwich he is an average standard NRL prop. It would be the same if an average SL player dropped down a level e.g. Lee Gaskill the extra space and time affords them the opportunity to display a greater repertoire of their skills which would be denied by better players.

Whilst you say I am over critical of certain players - and you have a point - it is in response to the over protective posts of these players by some (you know who you are) on here

I would agree with that.



And there I totally disagree, and is simply short sighted of you. It was not a short run of form at all, it was 28 rounds of rugby including Challenge Cup, where he was consistently at the top in all the games played, in many at the top of the voting for Man of Match.



And yet nobody as said what you are saying above. The comparison is this season against individual seasons of others. You were the one comparing to rubbish like Millard. I only gave a greater comparison, clearly stating whether better or not is open to opinion. There is a strong likelihood that without injury, Aiton himself could have been a Harry Sunderland winner this year, considering his form throughout the season, if that is the be all and end all of determining someones season.




And there you go again. If your opinion is not adhered to the tone goes this way every time.

Nonsense. Did you watch us in 2004?

But Sal, would you not agree that Perry and Asotasi were props starring in the NRL? yet have been a bag of when having to do it in super league. It doesn't work for some, some players can only play one way and suit that style of games, others can adapt and adjust their game to bring out qualities. Moa would be a good example, a waste of time in the NRL then comes over here adjusts his game to suit, excels at it, goes back to the NRL and becomes a star over there.

Yeah, and I have been to nearly every game this year too. That's the point.

I think Diskin's 2004 season was better than Aiton's 2015, but the latters isn't far off at all.

Helps that Diskin completed that season.....be different if he'd of gotten injured with around 10 games to go.

Post his serious knee injury I don't think Diskin put in a better single season than the one Aiton is having now

To put Aiton anywhere near Millard and McShane is laughable.

I'd say that's a fair summary. A measure of a player's influence on a side is how much they are missed when they aren't available. Don't think for one moment not having Millard or McShane in the side hurt Leeds in the same way as not having Aiton available has done.

Ailton was out ill for most of last year so to slate him for being average isn't that fair, he barely got started in his first season with a new club.

And I think if he'd have carried on his form this year and not got the injury then he would have been one of the stand out performers this season, and Leeds would have looked a stronger side for it.

I think Aitons spell at Leeds has been quite an unlucky one for him.

Diskin was awesome in 2004. But the injury whilst playing for GB affected his performance after imo.

Yeah, and nowhere have I said he wasn't.