wasn't penalised at any other game I've ever seen. hicks making it up as he goes. first try Cummings straight away called double movement. then changed his mind. we got shafted again

It’s a double movement any day of the week in the history of the game. Either they have secretly changed the rules, or the officials are incompetent.

I agree. momentum was stopped.

Our props tried hard enough but those three tries from their England props won Saints the game. We were losing the ruck again in that second half. When Thompson and Walmsley get a roll on it does help Roby - but that is a cracking front row.

It is a fantastic front row, which would grace most sides in NRL let alone SL, but as others have said our goal line D was poor - as much as I like Walmsley he shouldn't get in for one let alone both scores.

We were offside from one restart last night actually. End of the day you just want consistency from the referees, these outliers are frustrating. Play the balls generally are rubbish this year, players lazily throwing the ball under their feet, not being refereed this year...

A very good display overall and we are moving in the right direction. Attack is starting to gel and we look a threat with the ball. Our trouble was getting field position in the Saints half. A mixture of lack of go forward at times and a poor long kicking game. When Saints had their starting front row on we couldn't handle them. Oh for a Walmsley, a luke Thompson or a Garbutt........
Thought Lolohea looked better ball in hand but his defence was a joke at times. It needs sorting asap.

I thought Fages crawled forward with his elbow after being grounded and then promoted the ball, double movement for me.

Agree with this. Sutcliffe suspect in defence too on the same side, Tui needs good defenders either side. Saints really targeted that channel, as will other teams.

Also think it’s worth commenting on the Rhinos away support, they were fantastic.

The issue for me is that ref has to make a decision when sending up a decision to the video ref even tho he doesn't know.

If the double movement had been sent as a no try and Lolohea had been sent as a try then both decisions, I'm convinced, would have been given that way and that isn't right.

For a ref to send a decision to the video ref it's because he isn't certain so why does he have to make a guess before sending it upstairs? It's wrong and not fair on the ref especially when his guess is clearly having an impact on the decision given.

If that 1st try wasn't a double movement then what the hell is? I don't blame Hicks, at full speed with bodies around him and probably a bad angle but how the video ref can look at that a few times and still give a try is beyond me.

It would be interesting to know how the stats look on referees giving try for the home team and no try to the visitors before sending upstairs when making his guess.

I thought we was fantastic last night as I've said before, I left the ground pleased with what I had watched. I don't think we got what we deserved at all but on that showing I'm confident we are heading in the right direction under Furner. Really impressed with the depth and shape of our attack last night. We look a coached team and i haven't thought that for many a day.

Not sure what anyone sees in ferres, thought he was terrible again last night, dont think any player contributed more to there comeback at the start of the 2nd half...stupid penalty on 4th tackle, kick into touch and while he certainly wasnt the only one, 2 absolutly pathetic tackle attempts for the walmsley and thompson trys ..awful.

Stats for both our second rows make abysmal reading, no tackle busts between them, less than 4 meters per carry each, not sure how you even manage that low a meters per carry but they did and some poor defence.

Thought when given a fair chance our attacking structures look to be coming on great, as a big critic of mcdermott and his lack of structure, this is sumthing im pleased to see.

Dwyer was very good, thought his distribution was first class, we know about his running game, which was good again.

Tui, starting to look very good with the ball, but his defence is shocking, aswel as working massivly on it, its maby time to shift him and myler on D, teams go to there left way more clinicly than going to there right, might mask his defficiencys a bit more.

Hurrell, very good, just wish he'd concentrate a bit more with loose balls, twice simple pick ups were knocked on and led to trys..although one was a clear double movement, which takes me on to hicks

Complete shambles of a reff performance, thought the one at wigan was one of the worst id seen, this was another level, as much as our second half defence didnt deserve to be rewarded with a win, we would of got one, if hicks had done his job even close to decent, he's either useless or biased, after that pathetic call on loloheas 'knock on' for releasing the ball after the no try, which happens all the time and is never, ever punished... im not sure which.

Rhinos played very well,but a shocker from the officials.This was a match we should have one,but a couple of soft tries put an end to that.Will we get the 50/50 decisions when back at Headingley??

not sure what peteru brings myself

Still work to do on the squad, but we knew that already. Very promising with the ball when we have good field position, but struggling to make metres in our own half.

I’d like to see more bite (no pun intended) in our defence, we seem a little passive there, and some of the 1-2-1 misses are really costing us.

We’re making progress.

https://www.rugby-league.com/superleagu ... port/95666 Stats from the game. Pretty much confirming what's been said. Poor defence on the right hand side, and not enough go forward.

https://www.rugby-league.com/superleagu ... port/95666 Stats from the game. Pretty much confirming what's been said. Poor defence on the right hand side, and not enough go forward.

The Refs call needs addressing not just for last nights game but going forward into the season.
There's absolutely no reason for the VR to intervene during a game and correct these poor decisions the officials are supposed to work as a team and it's time we had a VR at EVERY SL Ground just employ ex-players it doesn't have to take 3hrs either.
I agree our defence was weak at times last night but overall I thought the 17 on duty grafted id be looking at Cam Smith to replace Ward(will he ever complete a season).
Id also go with Merrin at 13 with Ferres/Cam Smith in the SR.
It's pointless highlighting Tui or Sutty in D that whole right edge needs work both positional and tackling.

Yeah dosnt run his weight, 6'5 and well over 17 st, but gets stopped on impact way too easily for me

Sutcliffe and Watkins missed too many tackles. Lolohea only made 8... wow. That has to improve big time

Agree. McDermott mentioned it in comms also.

Tui made 8 tackles and missed 6. That's almost Ben Walker esc.

any truth in the rumour that tui doesn't intend letting go of the ball until noon on the sunday after a game the next time he scores a try?

Hicks would still give a knock on

For me their first try was a clear second effort, arm lift double movement no try.
For their second I thought Lomax was in front of Percival who passed forward before Peteru got a touch.
I've never seen a held up decision then given as a knock on for releasing the ball in 40+ years of watching.
I don't believe refs are deliberately against one team or another but I reckon Hicks & Thaler suffer from unconscious bias when officiating our matches.
Of course if we'd defended better it wouldn't have mattered but in a tight game these things hurt. As a mate of mine has just pointed out, decisions will even out over a season but if you get them in your favour when it doesn't matter so much then it is hard to take.

So many inept decisions last night i have never in over 50 years of watching been as incensed and whatever Hicks gave for the first try the video ref should have over ruled it as it was as clear as day a double movement . The last decision he got wrong when we were camped on their line and they knocked on was just as much a shocker . It just seemed like whenever he went to the video ref it was i have a try for Saints but no try for Leeds . Saying all that as pessimistic as i have been pre season and for the first couple of games , we have shown some good signs with ball in hand and whilst there is a long way to go and we are still 3 or 4 players short of a Trophy winning side it looks like the entertainment part of the game could be back and hopefully the crowds will go up . Great support from the Leeds fans last night !

Aaaaaawwww