The club is at as much a low point as its been for a long time and thats saying something. I too expect a poor showing sunday, and i dont expect the fall out to end there. What a disgrace the way the club has been managed for too many years. Christopher your longterm optimism deserves a medal, it only looks bleak from where im standing.

I'd agree. Were it not for having a season ticket I doubt I'd go on Sunday. All the indications are that GH has acted purely out of pride and left Smith and the rest of the team very exposed. Fair enough, gett rid of Austin, but leave it till the end of the season. GH better have something special up his sleeve or things will finally start to turn ugly at HQ.

I would agree. Another low point… and there has been a few over the last few seasons.

The bleakness for me comes from the fact we’ve been here so many times. End of the McDermott era, end of the agar era, Sinfield arriving and then leaving, youth development. I’m surprisingly still not in the RS out camp but many due to having little trust in getting anyone genuinely better! I think RS will probably make a decent coach, I just don’t think that we should have gone with someone so inexperienced in the first place!

The more I think back to the golden generation, it becomes clearer for me that the players loyalty was totally with one another and not necessarily the ‘Leeds Club’. Perhaps JJB aside.

To be fair Seth your doom and gloom just cancels out my positivity



I'm not even sure it's optimism, I think Ive just learned over the years that it's just what following a sports club is like, everything tends to get blown totally out of proportion because that's what we fans do.

I don't think its as low as battling for relegation a few years ago when Sinfield came in and Lowes was head coach, nowhere near as low, we still do have a chance of the playoffs, look at our points difference that shows you that a few of those games tip in our favour and were up at the top.

As I say it's just part and parcel of following a sports team, we're not going to get relegated, we still have a chance of the playoffs, there's a bit of off field drama and plenty of on field drama. Ill enjoy going on Sunday I hope the weather holds up cos I am sick of the rain!

No where near as low as losing to Bradford in the cup!

Im not sure, it depends how you view any 'progress' over the last 3 years. We're sat in 8th and still seeing sht like this happening.

Its poor losing Austin in this fashion, if we was going to get rid wouldn't it make sense to find a replacement 1st, I already have tickets for Sunday otherwise I would have watched on tv! We was already looking rudderless in attack and letting Austin leave won't improve us I fear.

Nah, I think you’re letting the emotions of the Austin thing clouding your judgement a bit, we were in a far worse position when Bradford beat us in the cup.

I don’t think this Austin situation was in any way planned for, it seems to me Austins agent got a speculative call from Cas, Austin has gone to see GH about it snd they’ve had a bust up, this isn’t all down to GH, Austin has played his part

He’s more than played his part, he’s agitated for a move since GH didn’t put a 2 year deal on the table. We are right to let him go, but my god it’s been handled badly to get to this stage when we now only have 1 senior halfback at the club.

The context is the additional 3 years since then and the 'investment' in a plan to turn the club around. To be where we are now 7 games to go is just awful progress.

Absolutely, I don't care about Austin now he's gone. But it should be alarming to everyone how all this has been managed. And that's where my fear of more of the same next year comes from because GH is still here.

You are Nostradamus , collect £10 on your way out

To be honest RS seems to have sympathy with Austin in his interview. It appears they had made no decisions on whether they would offer him a contract or not for next season and that 'he was still an option' how can that be at this stage and with players needing some certainty on their personal futures. Blake youre still an option until we can find better, but they're turning up nothing on their search for a half back, and now he's made the call on his own.

Maybe so but to say it’s as bad as that situation is IMO over egging it.

Since then weve win a CC final, got to a GF and been in a GF Semi.

This year has been disappointing but we are not in as bad a position as we were then. We have some good young olayers in the team and sime coming through back then it looked like a lost cause totally and ended up in a relegation scrap that year.

"I hadn't explicitly told him that he wouldn't be getting a contract," Smith added.

It's just not a good way to look after players. They should have given some clarity by this stage and I cant blame austin for making things happen for next year. Though I'm sure the video played it's part in the loan.

having you thought of working in PR christopher? you'd be fantastic at it

Austin and his agent could have sorted himself a deal elsewhere for next year, hes had that option for a while

He has, though he also stated he wanted to stay at leeds so I'm sure left it as long as he could. Why haven't leeds made a decision on their halves and whether they'd want Austin as part of that next year with only 7 games of this year to go? It's madness.

I do sort of work in PR



Look just because i don’t think everything has gone to doesn’t mean im not concerned about next year (im not fussed about this year TBH)

I personally just don’t see the point of making too many assumptions or getting overly worked up and thinking everything is bad like this happens

Because christopher, we made a few presumptions some months ago that were pushed aside and all we're seeing is the fears being played out that we're being poorly managed.

We don’t know why they haven’t made a decision, they may well be waiting on other things, Austin takes up a quota spot so maybe that’s a factor.

Austin may well have wanted to stay but he’s gone a weird way of going about it, and made a u turn from him saying he’s happy with one year deals as well, again all said in public.

Hey Tad, Christophers faith is a good match for yours that Leeds Utd wouldnt get relegated last season. Lets see how this one plays out...

If having no starting halfbacks contracted for next season at this stage (given clubs have had months to see who might be available then make a play) doesn't concern you im not sure what would. Has he made a Uturn? He wasnt offered any deal was he let alone a one year deal.

I’ve never said it doesn’t concern me.