I'll admit Sal, up until recently. I preferred SL to the NRL, I understood the difference in skill, but for me added focus on attacking play made up for it.

Recently though the skill level seemed to have fallen off a cliff for most teams, and some coaches/teams have resorted to a dull boring five drives and a kick style of play.

Needless to say I'm watching more NRL these days.

As i supported Leeds through the eighties our present predicament is a mere blip compared to that decade.
I have however a growing concern that if our present situation is not handled properly, we could easily slip back to several years of obscurity.
Could the recent brigade of rhinos supporters handle that scenario ?. As they say interesting times are upon us.

Sal, the salary cap in its current guise is a policy of enforced austerity. It isn't working in the economy as a whole and it certainly isn't working in SL. It's killing the game just like it's killing the economy. The only one's benefiting are those at the top.

Leeds can thank the salary cap for all that silverware they've won during the past decade more than any other reason. They've benefited more than any other SL club from austerity. There's no player transfer market between the top clubs (Peacock to Leeds and Fielden to Wigan being the most recent transactions in 2005/06), hence why Leeds have been able to hang on to all their best players for so long during the past decade paying them sod all.

It's all a stitch up and I stick by my prediction that Leeds will make the Top 4 even if they have to scrape the barrel of mediocrity to get there. They've got plenty of previous in that regard finishing 5th after all.

I think the club should be closed down with immediate effect, the ground bulldozed, and a new club - Leeds Limas formed, who can started life in the National Conference.

Sorry to butt in, I always enjoy the Leeds board, especially at the moment



Just to make an obvious counterpoint to your rather ridiculous statement above - so you'd have sacked Alex Ferguson in 1989 would you? Are you really in favour of sacking a treble winning coach eight games into a new season? And Wigan fans are accused (sometimes rightly) of arrogance!

I'd be interested in who you think is a manager/coach who has never made any 'wrong decisions'. I'd like him at my club.

Bring back Tony Smith.

Your comparison to Ferguson is equallybut ridiculous. Ferguson had his golden generation just appearing over the horizon not disappearing over it as McDermott has. I think the majority of coaches have a limited life span at any one club - that applys to all sport. The Ferguson's are a very rare breed, Dave Brailsford is another even Guardiola knew when his message was no longer impacting the likes of Messi and Iniesta. Brian has had a good run but I don't see him as the guy to take the club to the next level - so why waste the rest of the season?

Wrong. Ferguson's golden generation didn't appear for another 4 seasons. They weren't even at the club in 1989.

When you say Brian Mac can't take the club to the next level, what on earth are you talking about? He's already taken you to the highest level. What makes you think he can't do it again?

When you've got a good bloke you keep him.

Just like Tony Smith at Warrington. Mind you some of their 'fans' wanted shut last winter. Not now though.

How many years did the new England RL coach do at Brisbane Broncos and did they stop listening?

He's back there again and Broncos are once more one of the favourites and he's just signed another contract extension.

Do we really need a dozen or more threads all saying the same thing?

Wondered how long it was going to take until some posters tried playing the role of 'victims'.


They eagerly shoot down anybody who say things like the team needs time, injuries, coach deserves the full season etc.....but they are just realists who are just giving their honest view on things apparently.

When people challenge their views back though they are being "bullied" by "thought police" and have the hypocrisy to say they aren't allowed an opinion on here yet instantly dismiss others view as only based on following the party line.

God it'd funny if it wasn't such sad sanctimonious hypocritical BS.

Awwww

there there, I didn't make any of you cry now did I with my nasty "bullying?"

I thought the penny would have dropped for most of you by now, this is a plan to win EVERYTHING...... Last season we did the treble in the current format, now we are just moving on to a new challenge, I'm not sure yet whether it's the million pound game or top of the qualifiers we're going for this season but by the end of 2017 we will have completed the challenge of winning Everything at the top.



In all honesty, ls28_rhino is right, it's not the losses, it's not the poor displays and sheer mindless stuff we're seeing for me, I can't take a defeat a whole lot easier if we're outplayed by a good performance, but at the minute it just seems so easy. IMO (note that) the 'star players' need to step up, the recruits need to show why they were recruited and we need some direction, I'm happy with giving Mac a chance, but he has to show that he's giving some tactical direction and some coaching, I think our last tackle plays are a great example of this perhaps not currently happening, at the minute it's like there's a team being picked and just being told to go out and play. Sinfield said in an interview last week this is a team built for summer rugby, I'm not sure whether that's just saying the only tactic we have is to get it to our back line on some firm ground and we have to hope they produce something or not, but that's kinda how I take it and highlights there is no real plan. I'll probably get some stick for suggesting that is the case but hey ho!

The SL table doesn't make happy reading for any Yorkshire RL fans at present. We collectively make up half the teams involved yet the best placed non Lanky side comes from Southern France and the only Yorkie thiefdom is the bottom five.

Im not sure who the thought police are in this one, which side they are taking, are they pro or anti McDermott and the squad?

Either way its only 8 games in, can we win 8 or 9 of the next 15? yeah.
Can we win 3 more games than one of Widnes, Saints, Les Catalans, and Hull FC out of the next 22? Yeah probably

Would we even have to be brilliant to do so? not really. Fact is we could lose our games against Wigan, Wire and Saints and still be comfortably challenging for the 4. then if we win 5 or 6 of 8 in the super 8's and sneak in.

15 of 22 is probably what we need to get in the 4. Thats not even brilliant form.

Some Rhinos fans have got some sense after all

Getting rid of your coach after what he has done for you since his arrival is criminal,Although im not sure that Gary Hetherington will be as twitchy as the majority of your fans on here
Why haven't the Rhinos fans ever taken to McDermott?

I'd take him in a straight swap deal for Wane any day

Looks like some folk don't let incorrect facts get in the way of the fact that they clearly want the coach out and post whatever they want without knowing the facts

I'd love some of you tell McDermott to his face what you're typing on here,
and before you pull me up on my signature about Wane's rant
I did tell him to his face that I was disgusted with his comments but Wane just shrugged his shoulders in an arrogant manner and walked away

Just a further point regarding this
I have watched Wigan's academy play the Rhinos at all age groups recently and you have some cracking players coming through like Cameron Smith,Ryan Jones.
Josh Roberts and Ash Golding in the 19's
I like the look of Tom Holroyd, Loui McConell and Owen Trout in the 16's too
So could these players be your next golden generation of players coming through?

Because he proved some of them wrong on a number of occasions and they hate that.

Must be said that plenty like myself got proven wrong by him back in 2011 but haven't minded accepting it, unlike some.

A bit like whenever a poster writes off a player, they'll then jump all over any mistake or poor performance they have to help justify their original opinion.

And it only took 13 years to get them there eh...



Meanwhile you've spat your dummy, left for good and created how many different accounts during that time?

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze. Same for all those writing off this club, yet again.........

This board's full of them mate. There's more knee jerking, dummy spitting and "just being a realist" whiners on here than any other board in sport.
It's made for some pretty hilarious reading come grand final time over the years.

I find it difficult to accept people who call themselves supporters can boo the team off the field. That isn't being a supporter! I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't voice an opinion but stop being spoilt brats and act like grown ups, put things in perspective and get behind your team

So if you are totally unhappy with the team and the performance and have paid your money and given up your time to watch a total load of garbage, how do you voice that opinion at the game?
Are you not more of a supporter that you are willing to boo them off as that shows that you care rather than just shrugging your shoulders and heading home?

Some of our player look like they don't care. The body language during Monday's game from some of them was shocking.
Some of them (in my opinion Hardaker, Cuthbo and JJB) are trying as hard as they can and I think in Hardaker's case maybe too hard but the rest hmmmm

I boo them off the field if they are atrocious. I am not a glory supporter and have been watching them for 30+ years but I expect a certain level of application and attitude. If they give that and lose then we will have been beaten by a better team (or sometimes the odd refereeing blunder) and I go home a bit miffed we lost as I don't like seeing Leeds lose but proud of how they played.
This season there is nothing to be proud of at the moment and the product on the field is poor.

Even the standard of heckling has decreased over the years. In the 80's booing would have been considered the equivalent of today's polite applause.
Proper abuse starts by massing in the car park as the team bus "arrives" and booing before the lads even get their playing kit on. After the game, well that's when ur should really kick off.

Those were the days, and of course the old 'Sack the board..Sack the board...sack the board!!! '

It's strange to think I probably sat on a Wally Arnold coach with some of you f*******s 30 years ago

you can guarantee it