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| Not sure what all the fuss is about - he is a very average prop - the fact ours are either past it or not good enough should not detract from that.
I don't see the likes of Wigan, Saints, Warrington jumping through hoops to sign him - or is this an indication of the quality the fans think we should now be attracting?
If Hetherington can get a fee for a player who was pretty poor when he was at Leeds that is good business in my eyes.
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| All seems confusing as I thought we "owned" his contract and therefore the fee should be to us.
I can`t for one minute see the logic in letting him go to Hull or Wakefield.
He has shown in the games he has played against us and on Sky that he is a real prospect despite what others on here think.
This could be another Gareth Carvell situation!
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| Keeping hold of good young props has never been our strong point. This seems very bizarre.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Not sure what all the fuss is about - he is a very average prop - the fact ours are either past it or not good enough should not detract from that.
I don't see the likes of Wigan, Saints, Warrington jumping through hoops to sign him - or is this an indication of the quality the fans think we should now be attracting?
If Hetherington can get a fee for a player who was pretty poor when he was at Leeds that is good business in my eyes.'"
I agree with you on this one
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Perhaps if he had played him, as he should, he would have felt wanted. He's better than any prop we currently have'"
Fair point Tad and don't get me wrong, I'll be sorry to see the lad go (assuming he does). But hindsight's a wonderful thing. Not many, for example, were too fussed to see Ali transfer to Wakey. And early doors, particularly following the WCC, it wasn't unreasonable for McD to expect that Kylie & Peacock could raise their game to the necessary level for the key games at least. There's also management of the salary cap to consider; it might be a necessary evil that we have to loan out decent players for a season to keep within the cap and keep them on our books. Of course the risk will always be that some will find out that the grass really is greener.
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| Again fair points. But is he really worse than moore or griffin? And sal, thats rubbish, sorry. He may have been poor at leeds early on but anyone can see he has matured and been outstanding this season. Not to recall him is short sighted and stupid
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Again fair points. But is he really worse than moore or griffin? '"
Nope, you got me there.
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| The whole thing has been a mess, including the fudge over the "decision deadline" when we should have just said "you're a Leeds player, come back to Leeds as per your contract". It's not as if he hasn't had a better season than ALL of our props bar JP on a good day, as well as being between 5 and 10 years younger than all of them.
Not that I can see how we're anywhere near cap anyway (Since 2011 kick-off Senior, Lauititi, Buderus, Webb, Smith, Pitts, Burgess, Cross out; Griffin, Moore, Achurch in) but losing Amor at 25 to get an extra year out of Kylie would be as bad a team-planning decision as we've had since the pre-success days.
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| Amor wouldn't replace Kylies 'crash - bang' style.
For me we should be signing another Kylie circa 2007. Sam Moa I would have been interested in.
You need the right balance in the props, aggression, impact, minutes etc.
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| It's not really a bad business model if you think about it;
Young lad shows promise - ship him out on loan. This way another club can fatten him up while not costing you a cent. Then when said lad has matured and looks the part you see if you want him in your current set-up otherwise sell him on at a considerable profit.
Although I'm not too sure who Amor 'belongs to'?
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Amor wouldn't replace Kylies 'crash - bang' style.
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More of a Bailey type player hey?
We could always offload Bailey and keep Amor
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Two different sources, one a leeds regular first teamer, the other at boardroom level at wakey, give different stories. Player says to hull on 3 year deal, wakefield source says back to leeds. Spoke to peter smith on twitter and he says hull. If true, and i have no reason to disbelieve him, it shows to me that our coach, despite being a prop, is clueless as to what this team needs. Same old next year im afraid'"
It seams my info may have been correct after all which is a real shame Amor is a cracking player and we shouldnt be getting rid of somebody of his age when all are current props are the wrong side of 30 lets hope Singleton and D Smith are given game time next season to see if this decision was the right one
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| Yes mate, your info, and contact,were spot on
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| Amor has questionably been wakeys POTY, he and Raleigh dominated the Leeds pack when the two teams played at Wakefield, I believe given a proper run in the team, he would turn out to be a fantastic signing! And anyone who believes Amor is an 'average' player, is speaking total bol$@cks!!
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Again fair points. But is he really worse than moore or griffin? And sal, thats rubbish, sorry. He may have been poor at leeds early on but anyone can see he has matured and been outstanding this season. Not to recall him is short sighted and stupid'"
Graham we must agree to disagree - he was distinctly average at HQ in game one and I go back to my original point are any of the top sides wanting to sign him? If he was as good as you are saying one of them would be in for him.
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| Not neccessarily. You'd expect the =#0000BFtop teams (Leeds and Hull will likely as not finish this season next to each other outside the top four) to have their squad places reasonably settled and they may not be looking to recuit in the prop position in any case.
Leeds' loss (if it happens) will be Wakefield/Hull's gain but it won't be the first or the last time Leeds' investment in a player will benefit another SL team.
Somebody mentioned Carvell earlier in the thread. IMO, he was a big lad but lazy when at Leeds, he only became a loss years after leaving.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Graham we must agree to disagree - he was distinctly average at HQ in game one and I go back to my original point are any of the top sides wanting to sign him? If he was as good as you are saying one of them would be in for him.'"
I'll have to disagree David.
By game one do you mean the cup game? He was immense in his first stint in that game. Same in the league game more recently. IU have noticed a trend of his first sting being far more effective than his second stint.
But I've seen him play Leeds three times so far and a few times beyond that for Wakefield. He should certainly be part of Leeds first choice 4 prop rotation on form. easily, over the course of the year shown better form than Griffin, Kirke and probably Kylie and Bailey for that matter.
Not to mention his age. Peak years ahead for him. Aren't all Leeds props bar Bailey over 30?
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| We should definitely have him back. Better than most of the props we have now!! He would be starting prop for leeds next year if i were in charge!
hardaker, BJB, Watkins, Ablett, Hall, Sinfield, McGuire, Amor, Burrow, JP, Delaney, JJB, Ward.....Hood/McShane/Lunt, Achurch, Bailey, Kylie. Would be my first choice 17 providing there were no other signings.
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| This is gonna bite us imo maybe not next year but further down the line.
I do hope Singleton gets gametime and we re-sign D.Smith.
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| Quote ="G1"I'll have to disagree David.
By game one do you mean the cup game? He was immense in his first stint in that game. Same in the league game more recently. IU have noticed a trend of his first sting being far more effective than his second stint.
But I've seen him play Leeds three times so far and a few times beyond that for Wakefield. He should certainly be part of Leeds first choice 4 prop rotation on form. easily, over the course of the year shown better form than Griffin, Kirke and probably Kylie and Bailey for that matter.
Not to mention his age. Peak years ahead for him. Aren't all Leeds props bar Bailey over 30?'"
The way folks are talking he is the next Shane Webke? He had a good 20 minutes in the cup game but his second stint was innocuous same in the first game at HQ. Are folks wanting him back because he is so good or because our props are so bad?
There are a host of props in SL that are far better than him - Warrington have 5 for a start, Saints have 3, Wigan similar, Catalans the same - if we are to challenge the top sides on a regular basis we need a similar quality of player. Our recruitment should be comparatively based on the best not on what we have now.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Graham we must agree to disagree - he was distinctly average at HQ in game one and I go back to my original point are any of the top sides wanting to sign him? If he was as good as you are saying one of them would be in for him.'"
Apparently Saints have made an 11th hour bid for Amor as a replacement for Josh Perry who is said to be heading home at the end of this season
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"The way folks are talking he is the next Shane Webke? He had a good 20 minutes in the cup game but his second stint was innocuous same in the first game at HQ. Are folks wanting him back because he is so good or because our props are so bad?
There are a host of props in SL that are far better than him - Warrington have 5 for a start, Saints have 3, Wigan similar, Catalans the same - if we are to challenge the top sides on a regular basis we need a similar quality of player. Our recruitment should be comparatively based on the best not on what we have now.'"
Well of course we should....but the reality on the ground is that we haven't. So on the basis of the [i[uavailable[/u[/i options (or at least what [iwere[/i the options) Amor is surely a better attribute to complement the [i[uavailable[/u[/i registered players than the likes of Kirke...or Griffin...or just about any other prop we have based on an outlook greater than one bluddy year at the most if we're lucky.
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| With our recent prop recruitment/retention policy and with the Bradford connections in our coaching team i wouldn't be surprised if we signed Fielden
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"With our recent prop recruitment/retention policy and with the Bradford connections in our coaching team i wouldn't be surprised if we signed Fielden
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Don't even jest!!!!
I was having a similar thought tonight.
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| I'm not sure if Amor would of been the answer to our problems in the prop department because looking good for Wakey and helping Leeds to get from 4th/5th up towards the current top 2 is a big difference but i think it was worth trying as we must be starting to be comfortably under the salary cap especially if we lose 1 or 2 more in the likes of Hauraki and Moore.
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