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| Quote ="red chilli"Chev ex Leeds - Bailey - thug.
Your a dirty team , my point been i wish Burgess a speedy recovery, it just shows what goes around comes around, you lot chanting when Tomkins was taken out was pathetic , Karma and all that ........'"
You start this thread with a post a little OTT but perhaps a valid point and then follow it up with this which makes you look a complete h0le.
You just lost any credibility you might have otherwise had.
Just out of interest, if Bailey's a thug how would you describe Ben Cockayne?
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| Quote ="gpartin"As a Wigan fan I didn't have an issue with the Rhino's fans singing after Tomkins was flattened by Ablett and can't really see any irony in the same fans complaining about the chants and shouts from Cas 'fans' after Burgess was flattened. The reason there's no irony is that Tomkins wasn't lying pretty much motionless on the floor requiring a neckbrace and stretcher whereas Burgess was and it was pretty obvious that it looked like a bad injury yet certain fans continued to chant and shout. Its bad enough that there are some people who behave like this but as far as I'm concerned its worse that people see nothing wrong with it, come up with ridiculous arguments in defence of this kind of behaviour or deny anything happened. I really couldn't give a rats ass if Castleford lose their licence after this, its rugby league not football and I found it sickening. As for the challenge itself it was unfortunate there was a clash of heads but I'm not convinced there's a great deal of skill involved in running at someone at full speed and there's probably not a huge difference between a shoulder and an elbow in terms of the damage they can do with momentum behind them but its within the rules.
The only irony I can see in this in relation to the incident with Ablett and Tomkins, is that 'Bluey' seems to be the only person claiming this was a foul and was also the only person claiming Ablett's wasn't. I think he's a bit muddled with rules.
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I'm not sure Bluey was saying last nights was a foul - more a dangerous tackle, which in many respects it was and I've posted my views about this on another thread.
Neither did I here him say Ablett's wasn't, I think he might have agreed with your own coach for the night who said it was clumsy and little more than that.
Neither were good, both could have/did cause serious injury yet I'm certain there was no intent in either of the 2 tackles
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| Quote ="gpartin"
The only irony I can see in this in relation to the incident with Ablett and Tomkins, is that 'Bluey' seems to be the only person claiming this was a foul and was also the only person claiming Ablett's wasn't. I think he's a bit muddled with rules.
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Bluey's Leeds are getting a reputation now for playing too much Thugby, its only a matter of time before every team in superleague will react to it.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Bluey's Leeds are getting a reputation now for playing too much Thugby, its only a matter of time before every team in superleague will react to it.'"
And yet the disciplinary records do not show this.
I've had the same thing said to me about Leeds on several occasions and the answer is always the same - show me the evidence of this - and the fact is that Leeds do not have more players in front of the disciplinary committee than any other club in SL, which you would surely expect if they are a team of thugs ?
Could it be that your, and others, opinions are wrong ?
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Bluey's Leeds are getting a reputation now for playing too much Thugby, its only a matter of time before every team in superleague will react to it.'"
Complete bollox and we are far from having a Hooper or a Matautia or Nickle
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Bluey's Leeds are getting a reputation now for playing too much Thugby, its only a matter of time before every team in superleague will react to it.'"
Here comes another idiot - they're coming thick and fast at the moment. Can't you press your special button Mr Field?
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| No. Much simpler to just ask them to back up their dip opinions with facts - they go away then.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"And yet the disciplinary records do not show this.
I've had the same thing said to me about Leeds on several occasions and the answer is always the same - show me the evidence of this - and the fact is that Leeds do not have more players in front of the disciplinary committee than any other club in SL, which you would surely expect if they are a team of thugs ?
Could it be that your, and others, opinions are wrong ?'"
You're doing him a disservice offering this a sensible and well thought out response.
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| We gave the lad a standing ovation didn't we? Whilst also sticking up for our young lad whose tackle was perfectly legal (Abletts wasnt!).
Hope Burgess and Peacock are ok are can take part at Wembley.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Complete bollox and we are far from having a Hooper or a Matautia or Nickle
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Thats why Leeds are next to the bottom of the fair plays index. Also the difference with Hooper/Matautia and Nickle is that they got dealt with by the disciplinary, where as the likes of Webb, Senior and Bailey get away with it.
If you also bother to look at the RL's disciplinary index, you will find Leeds are serial offenders and have the worst record than any club in all the 3 competions.
Like as said before Bluey's is condoning "Thugby" and pushing the boundaries of sportmanship, its only a matter of time before opposition players react to it and fans glorify it..........Mintball.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Thats why Leeds are next to the bottom of the fair plays index. Also the difference with Hooper/Matautia and Nickle is that they got dealt with by the disciplinary, where as the likes of Webb, Senior and Bailey get away with it.
If you also bother to look at the RL's disciplinary index, you will find Leeds are serial offenders and have the worst record than any club in all the 3 competions.
Like as said before Bluey's is condoning "Thugby" and pushing the boundaries of sportmanship, its only a matter of time before opposition players react to it and fans glorify it..........Mintball.'"
[urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary.php[/url
Click the link, put two dates in the boxes (I did 01/01/10 to 13/08/10) put Superleague in the "league" box and see what comes up.
Then come back and try and justify the statement that I've highlighted in bold.
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| Quote ="rugbyleague88"I don't think the challenge on Burgess was bad, just unlucky. [uThe challenge from Ablett on Tomkins was bad but accidental[/u. I think this is the view of a lot of Leeds supporters, so whats your point?'"
No way was the Ablett "challenge" accidental, he knew what he was doing .
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| Quote ="Gaslight"His point is the fact Leeds fans cheered & chanted when Tomkins was injured and when St Helens players get injured its fine, but tonight there's a lot of Leeds fans complaining Cas fans chanted "there's only one Johnny Walker" it's an utter disgrace etc etc, he's pointing out the irony in that fact
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"[urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary.php[/url
Click the link, put two dates in the boxes (I did 01/01/10 to 13/08/10) put Superleague in the "league" box and see what comes up.
Then come back and try and justify the statement that I've highlighted in bold.'"
Why are you filtering on selective dates, just use the Leeds comparative. If you look at ALL the clubs, there disciplinary in most cases heavily weighted when the oppostion is Leeds. So there is a common dominator here that Leeds come up with the Thugby game.
This obviously endorsed by the Leeds position in the fair play index...........which you have nicely managed not to respond too, and this being a Leeds Message Board will never accept comment and criticism.......on the similar mind set of "I hope other clubs have injuries" Bluey.
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| Quote ="red chilli"Nasty for Burgess tonight .
However when Carl Ablett took out Sam Tomkins with his illegal challenge you Leeds fans were chanting " Yorkshire , Yorkshire , Yorkshire", boot on the other foot now , however tonight's was an accident , still not nice though is it, maybe something to think about for you.'"
I never for one second though Tomkins was hurt which is the big difference. I would like to think if he had been laid on a stretcher that the majority of Leeds fans would have cut out the antics.
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| Quote ="darwoo11"I never for one second though Tomkins was hurt which is the big difference. I would like to think if he had been laid on a stretcher that the majority of Leeds fans would have cut out the antics.'"
Thats like saying if I shot someone and was on target I would be full of remorse, but if I shot someone and missed, thats alright then.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Thats like saying if I shot someone and was on target I would be full of remorse, but if I shot someone and missed, thats alright then.'"
All I said was if Tomkins had been injured along the lines of how Burgess is true Leeds rugby fans would have represented the club well and not carried on!
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| ignore him mate, he's just a deluded retarted jealous idiot who has yet to back up his allegations in his first post
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| Quote ="red chilli"Nasty for Burgess tonight .
However when Carl Ablett took out Sam Tomkins with his illegal challenge you Leeds fans were chanting " Yorkshire , Yorkshire , Yorkshire", boot on the other foot now , however tonight's was an accident , still not nice though is it, maybe something to think about for you.'"
I know there are some brain deads roaming around Hull, this happens after years of interbreeding - this I can make some allowances for but you have stepped out of the realms of the plain stupid and into a whole new dimension of stupidity with this post.
When Ablett took out Tomkins he was reckless and clumsy but Tomkins was immediately back on his feet with no visible injury – in fact he was involved in the play from the resulting penalty.
Burgess was out for the count and, although he has sustained a severe facial injury the initial impact looked much worse. For a time he was catatonic and I, like many others were genuinely worried for his safety.
By comparing these two incidents proves that you have little or know knowledge of this game and has only brought to the surface your petty and small minded hatred of a far superior city.
You are pathetic and infantile but I still pity you, you live in Hull – you will never have as good of a life as the rest of the population of this great land and the sad thing is you don’t even realise it.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Why are you filtering on selective dates, just use the Leeds comparative. If you look at ALL the clubs, there disciplinary in most cases heavily weighted when the oppostion is Leeds. So there is a common dominator here that Leeds come up with the Thugby game.'"
I simply selected the current year, January to date because you assert that Leeds have played like thugs recently, the current year should be a long enough period to prove your assertion, but, erm, it doesn't does it ?
In fact, it proves the opposite.
Quote This obviously endorsed by the Leeds position in the fair play index...........which you have nicely managed not to respond too, and this being a Leeds Message Board will never accept comment and criticism.......on the similar mind set of "I hope other clubs have injuries" Bluey.'"
Its a random and ultimately meaningless assessment by a statto with a bit of time on his hands, its here for anyone who cares to waste a few minutes browsing [urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=378[/url, you'll notice that Leeds are far from being the worst culprits for conceding "technical penalties" and likewise far from being the worst culprits for conceding "misconduct penalties", in fact all clubs in SL are fairly evenly matched right across the board - its only when the statto applies an arbitary score to each offence that he manages to come up with his daft league table which does nothing to prove your point that Leeds play an especially dirty brand of rugby - check the quantity of offences on that table, there isn't much to separate all clubs and certainly nothing to make any one stand out from the rest.
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Like as said before Bluey's is condoning "Thugby" and pushing the boundaries of sportmanship, its only a matter of time before opposition players react to it and fans glorify it..........Mintball.'"
Why the signing off with "Mintball" ???
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"I simply selected the current year, January to date because you assert that Leeds have played like thugs recently, the current year should be a long enough period to prove your assertion, but, erm, it doesn't does it ?
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Your assertions are incorrect I,m afraid.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"ignore him mate, he's just a deluded retarted jealous idiot who has yet to back up his allegations in his first post'"
Yet another one who can,t explain why Leeds are next to the bottom of the Fair Play index, yet some fans on here think otherwise. Whose only response is "he's just a deluded retarted jealous idiot".
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Your assertions are incorrect I,m afraid.'"
You haven't addressed the issue, how do this years disciplinary hearings prove that Leeds are playing a brand of thuggish rugby ?
Please provide your evidence, without which we'll simply concur that its only your opinion, an unsubstantiated one at that.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Yet another one who can,t explain why Leeds are next to the bottom of the Fair Play index, yet some fans on here think otherwise. Whose only response is "he's just a deluded retarted jealous idiot".'"
I've already explained it to you - take a look at that arbitary "Fair Play Index" and point out to me which team has incurred the most "technical offences" and which team has incurred the most "disciplinary offences" and then tell me how that equates to Leeds playing a particularly thuggish type of rugby.
You can't blame us for thinking you're a muppet when you chose one as your avatar and then spout unsubstantiated rubbish as if it were fact.
And why Mintball ?
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