Did I suggest that?

You suggested we should congratulate McDermott for getting these players to peak at the right time of year, where a group of them have been doing it for a number of years. I just stated the bloody obvious in that three coaches in a row have done that with the same conditioning team.

Isn't it the conditioning team role to ensure the players peak at the right time?

Has McDermott asked the conditioning team to do it differently to Smith and Bluey before him? I don't know by the way, but would guess he is sticking to the tried and tested.

There's a lot more to peaking at the right time than "conditioning"

To be honest from our showings this year I don't conclude that the forwards are main worry going into 2014. I think this year has shown the weak spot to be 6,7 & 9. We've not struggled really to get into the opposition 20, we have however struggled to score once there.

I wouldn't be concerned if we go into 2014 with this as our strongest choice 17 forward line-up.
PROPS - Peacock, Leuluai, Singleton, Bailey
2nd ROW - Delaney, JJB, Ward
LOOSE - Ablett, Sutcliffe

However we all pretty much agree that Burrow shouldn't be an 80 minutes starting hooker and although some have called for it I don't think the role of Loose Forward nowadays (more a stronger forward than extra playmaker type) is one Sinfield can or should fill. That leaves Sinfield, Burrow & McGuire all best suited to the halves.....but 3 into 2 doesn't go, but as mentioned above I don't think any should be playing anywhere other than the halves.....so that leaves the big question/dilemma/decision of.......one of the golden trio has to make way.

That is what the 2013 season has really shown us.

Accepted. But you can't do it without the conditioning team doing their job to the planned strategy. Various ingredients make up that "peaking".

Hence why the players and coaches over a number of years now have praised that department of the club.

The point is, I doubt that strategy and tied and tested way has changed since the last year of Smith. Same result each time, no matter who the coach was.

You still have to have the players in the right frame of mind. But even Graeme West won the title at the back end of Wigan's dominance. Christ, he actually did better than the previous as he won the grand slam of all four trophies available. He's in the history books, but he wasn't the reason for it. Where did he go from there, in a relative very short time after it?

I was just about to say the very same - It's about getting the team to peak both physically AND mentally.

It is the coaches job to ensure that both these aspects happen and the same time and, more importantly at the right time. BMcD should be praised for getting this right for the last two years.

I think even beyond that, there are aspects about how you play, and when. If you attack the same way all year, teams will work it out eventually. We always seem to come up with something new, against opponents who have running the same systems for ten months.

I'd agree to a point re the forwards, except I think part of the reason why we've struggled in the opposition 20 is a lack of movement and support runs primarily from the forwards. Whether that's by design or not I don't know.

I dont disagree Printer but i still feel we need at the very least 1 younger quality Prop.
JP can't keep carrying this pack plus i think even more so next year we have to rotate better with Kylie staying and i'd like to see Kirke and Moore minimum to be released.

Add Delaney, JJB and Bailey back into the pack and we are likely to see a significant improvement.

You never been to Gipton or Harehills then?

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-5964457 At least someone from inside the club is willing to speak out and be honest about our problems in the opposition quarter at the moment. Im sure with a weeks rest, a few more bodies back and a bit of extra work we can hit the play offs on the front foot.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-5964457 At least someone from inside the club is willing to speak out and be honest about our problems in the opposition quarter at the moment. Im sure with a weeks rest, a few more bodies back and a bit of extra work we can hit the play offs on the front foot.

Beverly Hills compared to Hull

It was a frustrating performance, and to be fair our attack has struggled to click all season. McShane wasn't great by any means but I did think we looked a far better attacking side with him at DH and Burrow at half back. Saying that our general speed around the PTB was shocking and has been on a number of occasions this year. The blame can't fall entirely with the DH, we don't have many forwards who consistantly win the collusion and play the ball quickley.

Yeah they're like a posher version of Hull.

Is there such a word as posher? Surely it would be more posh.

A more salubrious version of Hull then.

Technically "posh" is an acronym and only used as a word, so "posher" is as much a word as "posh".

back atcha (that's not a word either).

Posh being an acronym is an urban myth my friend.

Gipton is not [u[iany[/i[/u version of Hull. Let's be perfectly clear about that.

Looks like SL is not the only 4th place finish for Leeds this year.

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Hull being posh is an even bigger myth my friend.

I suspect the car crime figures in Hull would be much higher if most of them hadn't already been burnt out.

In 2010, Hull was the car crime capital ... news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8490025.stm But, by Humberside Police concentrating on car crime, it has gone down ... www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2cQZYvO4T Nonetheless, I don't see how looking at car crime in isolation proves which City is better to live in. Maybe this gives a better picture. blog.locatable.com/2013/03/the-1 ... n-england/

In 2010, Hull was the car crime capital ... news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8490025.stm But, by Humberside Police concentrating on car crime, it has gone down ... www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2cQZYvO4T Nonetheless, I don't see how looking at car crime in isolation proves which City is better to live in. Maybe this gives a better picture. blog.locatable.com/2013/03/the-1 ... n-england/

I think the word is more civilised