Yeah sportsmen should be locked in a dungeon for the next few days after a loss. Suppose we shouldn't feed them either and hit them with whips.

Don't be childish.

Nah they should be running up and down hills for hours each day, like what they did in't gud old days.

why are we the only club not to have an assistant coach in SL ?

No must be more severe. Take their kids off them until they put in a performance deemed suitable by those whose money is "hard-earned". I hope Jamie Peacock wasn't at the races today because that lazy bugger doesn't know a thing about earning his wage with hard effort.

As long as they didn't ask handley to hold the kitty. 'oops sorry lads I think I've dropped it'

Indeed.
Sky is on mute now fed up of listening to stevo. 3 highlights for me George Williams for MOS, this game has the same intensity as the SOO and creaming his pants in general over Ben flower.
Wonder what perls he will come up with in "the second stanza"

You missed it, he was over the moon when they utlilised the second phase and dummy runner.

Well Stevo had much more time to talk in the last 20 minutes because Phil Clarke must've had to leave early because I don't recall hearing him in that last quarter. I wonder why.

To be fair to Clarke I thought he was pretty impartial in that game. Sadly the same couldn't be said for Terry "everything sounds amazing" O'Connor wearing his Wigan shirt and Stuart "I just can't stop making stuff up" Cummings backing Silverwood at every opportunity.

Both Yates and Walters were only on the bench because of the injury crisis. Walters showed great promise last year and I still think he could make it, however he has shown no form in recent games neither has Yates so it is a judgement call for the coach with good reason IMO. Do you keep your best players out there who you know can put in long minutes with high tackle counts, carries and offloads or do you risk the out of form 2nd reserves when you are chasing the game?

You obviously felt that Yates and Walters would have broke through the gain line with clever offloads and smashed messrs Millington and Lynch out of sight.

We have not been able to pick a full strength team for many weeks now so the coach has had to rely on JP & Cuthbo to carry the burden up front and IMO they have not let him down. The cap does not run to an all star 25 man squad so it is understandable that there will be one or two down the pecking order who are regarded as work in progress and yes that may mean the coach does not trust them in certain game situations but will give them game time in other circumstances.

Not at all. I said members of the squad "either aren't good enough to be trusted to take the field, or simply aren't trusted without reason". It's probably the former. I don't think Yates is good enough, and Walters appears to have gone backwards from last year.

I think you missed my point about squad-building and who you think might be responsible for the failures there?

If we had a bench of Sinfield/Leuluai/Bailey/Kirke against Castleford then I'm certain the latter two would've gotten much more game time than Yates and Walters.

But we got rid to please the fans even though it meant the coach losing two players he trusted to put on the pitch without replacements for them being signed. Granted they had their faults but they got on the pitxh rather than sat untrusted on the bench, I'd take the former over the latter and that's why we're struggling to rest forwards right now and look low on numbers.

What's that saying, something along the lines of if you listen to the fans you end up sitting with them.

As much as they weren't everybodies cup of tea it was a very poor decision based on fan pressure to get rid of two props post season.

I'm sure Bailey wasn't released because of fan pressure.

I'm sure you're wrong. Might've been issues around Easter but you don't give him good minutes in the cup semi and final and have him start the next few games with Leuluai on the bench if those 'rumours' of a falling out were long lasting.

Shouldn't believe every rumour you hear on here when common sense proves otherwise. Much like the McDermott has fallen out with Sinfield for retiring rumours when he wasn't picked......that one seems to die a death when it became apparent he was rested for the cup like I said all along. Cue him dropping to the bench just before the next cup game.

I did not miss your point, but I do have trouble understanding your demand for recruitment perfection. In sport it is difficult enough for all your signings to work out even when they are top stars but when they are young players still learning their trade there will always be some that fail to make it.

Your comment about not being trusted to take the field is either very naive as it fails to understand that different circumstances call for different use of subs or you are just using this as part of your ongoing dislike of the coach.

Can you not accept that both Yates and Walters were on the bench due to the injuries to better players. Although you may not agree with BM he does have valid logic in putting his trust in his better players. Had he had the likes of JJB, Delaney and Achurch on the bench he would have been able to rest some of his forwards for longer. But he did not and in the very very unlikely event that your were the coach what would have been your decision given your comments about Yates and Walters?

In the words of the Irishman asked to give directions to the train station "well, I wouldn't start from here".

I think you're overestimating the degree that a few posters on an internet forum amounts to "fan pressure". I don't recall anti-Bailey chants at Headingley or marches on GH's house to get rid of Kirke (G1 might have held a vigil, I don't know)

Either way, any pressure there might have been from fans was to *replace* players not simply cut them, so the board hardly acted on that.

Ok then who would you have had on the bench given our injuries?

I think BM must had read my posting regarding the 'benchman'..... you know he sometimes takes my advice

Like I said, I wouldn't start from there. I wouldn't have a championship plodder Like Yates in a position where he had to he a key member of the game team, and if I did I'd bring him on at 30 minutes to spell our starting props so we can have our best players back on and reasonably rested at the most vital part of the game. That's how most coaches around the world use their front row rotations, but you and BMac know different.

Wow, I can think of lots of scenarios surrounding the departure of Kirke and Bailey after the end of last season, but giving into fan pressure! McDermott and Gary, giving into fan pressure, really? I had thought the major reasons were the need to make room for new blood and to give up and coming squad members a decent run. Whilst I don't think either of those options has been fully exploited, I still think that replacing an ageing pack was the primary driver. Why do you think it was about Fan Pressure?

Well all very well in hindsight but Yates came with promise and then had a long term serious injury. So for the moment he is a fringe member of the squad and we are where we are. Had you brought them on after 30 minutes it is most unlikely that we would have got back to parity by half time particularly as we scored twice after 30 minutes and it was Cuthbo who scored his hallmark try on 39 minutes on the back of momentum and position that our 'tired' forwards had created during this spell!!!

Indeed most other coaches (including Mac) do rotate their starting props around the 30 minute mark given they have reliable reserves to make the interchange. Change the circumstances and most coaches change their plans.

But as you know better I would like to know how you would have planned to make up the 12 points that we not have scored in the period when you would have brought on the subs.

Biggest load of sh## i've read on here so GH/BM released 2 players because of fan pressure?
Pmsl they were released because in IK's case he wasn't good enough simple fact and in RB's case i'm pretty certain his p!$$ poor self discipline played a key role in that call being made and i'm sure his on field inconsistency played a part.
The fact GH failed to get the recruitment right is a different point their time at Leeds was up and in RB's case discipline wise he was lucky it lasted as long as it did.

No win is a given and that's not what i said either smart @r$e!
In terms of selection Sinfield should start at 13 or 6 simple he's not as good as a sub never has been i would have started him at 13.
Walters and Yates should have been introduced earlier we were flagging after 10 minutes which goes back to his selection/game time management last week after our CEO in all his wisdom decided we wouldn't get the fixture switched.
In terms of the game itself how did Cas react when had them pinned in their own 20/30?
Simple RL kick early they also maintained their shape we didn't yes individual mistakes are just that individual but the Coach gives them the game plan and is in full control of the bench and rotations.
Mcguire and Burrow played like strangers so whilst that unravels why move Sinfield to 9?
You make a big point about winning/losing together but your hero Mc.D is never at fault mate and the excuses flow when his selections/tactics and bench management are questioned.