You think its' Ok for DISA to call one of our players a Wimp? Personally i don't and I think its' a foolish statement. If he makes what i consider a foolish statement I'll call it a foolish statement.

Re-read how DISA responded to me when I justified my opinion on Smith and consider who is being aggressive.

Where have I questioned his qualifications? Where have I mentioned mine?

FWIW, I may train with the Lost Loiners now I am old and fat but that is not the only rugby I have ever played, not that i brought it up.

The thing on here is some posters can be just as aggressive and personal as Danny and I yet unlike them we don't feel the need to cry to moderators and other posters about it. We can handle our opinions being challenged, can substantiate our opinions and can cope with whatever flak is thrown our way without crying on a moderators shoulder.

AFAIK Danny hadn't posted anything on this thread under any alias in relation to my discussion with DISA yet you and tad jump in with both feet and do exactly what Danny and I are accused of.

Pathetic but unlike you and others I won't be crying to anyone about it.

I believe both of us played open age from 16. Not that it matters as we haven't tried telling a SL player how to play the game.





The tale telling and tittle tattling behind the scenes on here is akin to primary school.



Correct. I only have one alias and it's not even mine anymore. It's used far more by other users.


Anyhow, David, I'm still waiting for you to highlight where i've tried telling a SL player how to play the game.

Gareth, I have some run in with you and Danny and I have been on the receiving end of some comments and given as good as I get - especially when you are both backed into a corner that do neither of you any favours. I have never bleated to a moderator about anyone - including you two and have never felt the need.

The fact you had to resort to rehashing the Phil Daly thing is simply childish - but that is nothing knew for you or Danny

You appear to delight in bully some people - that is obvious to everyone who reads your posts - that is your modus operandi IMO - attack is the best form of defence. The fact that Danny feels the need to join in everytime you have softened somebody up is pathetic in my view. That you openly support this type of trite behaviour does you no favours either.

We disagree to about a few things McClennan being one - you both say Smith is a superior coach and your opinion is superior to mine - I ask again what qualifies you have a superior knowledge than anyone else on here about coaching at the elite level - so play open age rugby 20 years ago makes you an expert - both my kids play open age rugby now so does that make them more qualified to comment on elite rugby than you?

FFS David where has Danny joined in? He hasn't.

You, tad and DISA have linked arms. Nobody else. You and your mothers meeting brought Danny into the discussion, not him or me


Again David, FFS. Nobody, other than you, has brought up who is more qualified to post an opinion. You're the one who brought up who plays where. Not me.

I know you're trying to defend DISA but you don't have to sink to his levels of stupid fog knitting. You're better than that.

Do you thin kit was acceptable for DISA to call one of our players a wimp?

Can I just point out that if it does come down to a p*ssing competition of whose opinion is most valid based on what level they played at, I'm probably ahead of all of you.

May i be so bold as to ask what level you played at sir?

The equivalent of what is now Gillette Academy at Leeds, way back in the mists of time...

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That has to be the quote of the Southstander season!

Such as?



I act no differently when backed into a corner than any other time. Please highlight with examples a differing of behaviour in the 2 circumstances.



Not really, it's gentle ribbing.



It depends what you deem bullying. Those who react in an abusive manner to having their opinion challenged leave themselves wide open to having the argument carried on.



Make your mind up. First I'm the ringleader, now I'm an employee of The King Bully Gareth. I dont and never have needed anyone to soften them up.

I like to agree with Gareth because it winds people like you and DISA up.



I dont think he cares either way.



Both have different methods. What I object to is a guy being castigated when he won us two championships when we'd done nowt for 30 years.

I also expect both coaches to be compared fairly.



Nope. That's just you who says that in your attempt to mind read.



...........and I'll ask again, where have I said I do?

How many more times do I have to ask the above question until you finally understand that I have not said I qualify.



Are you a goldfish?

Actually its' very pertinent when dealing with DISA.

DISA regularly claims to be "in the know", more so than other posters. he often posts his speculation as fact from his sources within the club.

Therefore, the fact that we had the whole Phil Daly issue is very relevant to DISA's credibility.

If he were simply posting his opinion or speculation without qualifying it as being more factual than anybody else's then, yes, Daly-gate wouldn't be justifiably brought up. As he claims to be more than i suspect he is then I think its' pertinent.

BTW, why are you wading into a conversation I was having with DISA? You trying to bully me after he's softened me up? Or is it OK for you and DISA to be ad idem but not me and Danny?

It's not though is it. David seems to think me asking someone how they qualify to advise a player on how to play the game is saying I am better qualified to judge.

I'm not better qualified to judge and have never said so. DISA is not qualified to judge Scott Donald either. Unless of course DISA is really Frank Stanton. He isnt though, he's just a supporter. If he was qualified to judge he'd either be

a) playing at the top level.

or

b) coaching at the top level.

Whoops. There I go again. Sorry for laughing at that David. Hope you don't class that as combination bullying.

Chillax dude, it was meant in jest.

My opinion is no more or less valid than anyone elses.

Oh, and Frank Stanton? You trapped in an episode of Life on Mars?

Ouzo might be stuck in the past but you need to get a grip. "Chillax". Who do you think you are sir?

I know. My response is more to David and DISA than you.

Get wi da street lingo G-man, to be down wi da homies yous gotta talk da talk an dat innit?

Are you qualified to say I am stuck in the past?

So we've established nobody is qualified to judge any professional rugby league players or tell them what to do. And rightly so. But does anyone else only come on here purely for that reason? I come on here to discuss with other (reasonably) knowledgeable people, the performance of Leeds Rhinos players. I don't think you should have to be qualified to have an opinion, is the point I'm fumbling around here.

You dont have to be qualified but if you start saying Scott Donald should have done this and that, and calling him a wimp then dont cry when pulled up about it.

Having personally been stepped, run down and scragged in separate incidents by a retired Barrie McDermott, i think its safe to say that the professionals operate at a level that 99% of us will never achieve. He may look slow and clumsy when on the field compared to a Long or a Burrow, but he was faster, stronger and more skillful than anything I have come across in my rugby laying days

DISA is talking balls if he thinks he would have scored that try any more comfortably.

Having an opinion is overrated. But I could be wrong about that...possibly.

That's a good point. I think both our wingers would have benefited greatly from having a quality centre inside them (fnarr). Shame we only had the one.


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I think it's been comprehensively established where you are stuck Danny Boy!

I am actually in Sweden at the moment, and just read this on a break, so thought it was worth responding just to try and put an end to things.

I thank David, because he has put his head on the parrapit here, and obviously I dont want people getting their name tarred for defending me.

But Gareth in response to your above. I have only twice EVER said I was in the know with anything through Leeds Rhinos, unless you can prove anything different? One was the agreement with Harris for his return, which is where your indifference to me started. That I was proved completely correct on, when the details of the contract came out in court. And my only reason for been in the know then was because I was asked (the company I worked for) to sponsor him personally.

The second time, I know I said something but I cant actually remember it. But I did name my source at the time, which was Stephen Ball, and again this was to do with sponsorship, so it was not rubbish.

I have posted rumours before, which I fully accept have turned out b0ll0ccks, but how many others have done that? I however did not make out to be "in the know" for that.

The only other thing I was in the know about was Gareth Ellis, and I have been shown right with anything there. And the only reason I know about that when it comes to Wakey is because Ted Richardson is a very close family friend, and as I have previously posted I used to work as a scout for Wakey for a couple of years, before I lost the time with my own work. And one of those players I took on for Wakey was Gareth Ellis, so I know him personally.

Yours and Danny's infactuation with Phil Daley is just that. You dont even know why you say it do you? But just to clear up one final time. I was in the conference roome having a pre match meal on a sponsorship package with Royal Bank of Scotland. On the next table British Gas were there who were sponsoring the match. A guy on that table, whom I don't know form Adam, shouted out to a Gentlemen walking through the room, who WAS Phil Daley about Toopi been on quota. All I put was that Daley replied that he was not on quota. From that Phil Daley denied he walked through the room, and there is not a lot I can do about that is there?

Hopefully that clears a few things up? If you want to take me to task on anything above please feel free, I have no problems with it. But no need to have a go at others now, and you can all be friends.