Did you? and at what point in the season were you converted as you had been rubbishing the coach and the team before and after the Catalan game.

You continued your rubbishing of the coach in 2012 as well. Are you now saying you knew we would win in 2012 as well?



If you are going say what I stated try and get it right Gotcha!

"although BM is going for a top spot finish he knows we can can win it from anywhere when the chips are down." Note "he" not "we"

Of course BM knows/believes we can win it. It would perhaps be arrogant to say we will win it but that is not what I said. To know you can win it is not arrogance it is confidence and belief in his team.

I am optimistic, and I feel sure Brian Mac and the team are too which is not arrogant or rubbish to say so



And as I have said before we have our best players now available, there are clear signs are coming into form, the team this year have had some good performances against the top sides, we have class players and the core of the side have the proven experience and mental toughness to win knock out rugby matches. Why do you not believe we can win it?

Maybe? But was that just him backing things both ways? Do you also remember him running down the coach and the team for most of the season. I would not put it passed him to tip us again for this year

An example of people making up rubbish, and putting my name to it.

I was on the minority on here, with you, excited about McDermotts appointment, and continued to back him through 2011, through all the barrage. I also stated at end of 2009 that unless we start to change the team 2011 would be the last for a few years we would win anything. At the moment I am a year out.

I did rubbish the coach in 2012 and write us off, hands up. I did this on the back of shocking performances, and a clear picture that McDermott simply wasn't coaching them.

I continued to rubbish him in 2013, after more shockingly poor performances, and really bad coaching. We won nothing.

This year, whilst I still have my doubts about him, I haven't critisized him at all, and have said all year if he wins anything this year he deserves the credit, as it is now his team.

I didn't quote the rest of your post as it was arrogant and just fog knitting. You said we KNOW we can win from anywhere, when clearly this was an historical thing, not 2014.

Nothing made up here just a few examples of you being "excited about McDermott's appointment and continuing to back him through 2011 through the barrage"

Gotcha July 2011 ....
"The coach may well be awful, almost certainly. But let's not scrape the barrell here with making out these players above would be putting in better performances with a different coach."


Gotcha July 2011
"The difference at Leeds is we already had players who had done it all, had lost the hunger, and were much older than the team Maguire took on. That's why I don't see that huge shift should another coach take over these same players. We need a new coach, that's without argument, but just don't kid ourselves on the players."


"FearTheVee wrote: July 2011
You can tell when a team is being badly coached and when a team are being extremely well coached. Wigan and Leeds are excellent respective examples of this and Maguire at Leeds would make a big difference, just as BMD at Leeds has in the opposite direction.


Gotcha reply July 2011
Completely agree with this. But taking 2011 out of the question, what would then happen in 2012 in our current set up? we would be back to what McDermott has done this year. That's the bottom line of it.

A new coach will always make an "immediate" impact on a team lost with confidence and direction. But would Maguire really make a difference going forward then with those very same past it players?"


Gotcha July 2011
"I have watched these same players regress for the last 3 years, even whilst winning a 3rd on the trot championship. We had last season and before an extremely good coach. An extremely good coach who jumped ship because=#0000BF he knew exactly how these same players were going to go this season.

What we see now from Leeds is exactly what I called and predicted 18 months ago. That was long before any thoughts of McDermott has coach. It's not hindsight, go back on my posts and you will see it clearly. I always said without major changes to the playing rota that this would happen."

[iAs an aside: based on your earlier post today would you say it was arrogant of you to say "=#0000BFhe knew"?[/i


Gotcha July 2011
"I agreed that Maguire would improve Leeds performances this season. I just don't agree he would improve the very same set of players going forward. Just like any other great coach in history, they need to stamp their own mark on the team and that involves their own players.

We were lucky at Leeds over a number of years, because our players were great at a young age and therefore were growing better together. Coaches did not need to drastically change things, but just add to it. What we need now though is major surgery.



Ferdy wrote: July 2011
"With this squad and a different coach I would not expect to be at the top, but we should be hanging on in there with saints"

Gotcha relied July 2011
"You are right, we would be nowhere near top. I think you picked the wrong team for hanging on in there with. Saints squad is far better than ours. Huddersfield on the other hand we should be hanging on in there with, that's the bigger worry for how far we have gone backwards




I take it this is an admittance that your judgement was wrong then!

These comments of yours Gotcha were made on the eve of the Leeds coach and players winning the Championship two years on the trot and a World Club Championship and now three Wembley Cup finals.

The above expert rubbish opinion is not made up but spouted by you with your name on it - and prove my point that you rubbished the coach and the players in 2011 until late on it dawned on you that you were wrong and so you swopped sides before reverting to type in 2012 with more rubbishing of coach and players

As they might say , GOTCHA !

Hey it doesn't matter if we lose a few, we know we can win it from anywhere - barmy.

In 2011 and 2012, without going into a long winded explanation of the teams explaining why, we basically played sh*t teams up until the semi when we actually played a serious contender. Both those games could have gone either way, with an aggregate margin of 3 points.

That just isn't the way things are now. Cas are tough. Warrington are tough. You have wigan..durrh. Huddersfield are tough. The route from lower down would be trecherous and probably too much. Saints are never easy no matter what. 3rd was too much last year, playing 3 decent teams on the bounce. Fancy it again? I don't.

Leeds best chance of the grand final is to finish as high up as they can, get the home tie, win it, then be a home tie away from the final with a week off. To be so blase about losing some of the remaining league games is mental.

Boom roasted!

Grab a napkin homie, you've just been served.

I would not be quite so smug if i were you - this could done on virtually every poster on here and that includes you and me.

Taking an isolated posting as proof can be dangerous - your own embarrassment is testimony to that!!

Most on here will have posted both sides of the argument at some point sometimes just to get a reaction i.e. trolling

To say a different coach would get a better result from a group of players is different from saying the coach is no good. If this is all Juan has on Gotcha then all the triumphalism on here is misplaced

Is there any commentary on the radio of this game?

Radio Leeds will no doubt be bringing commentary from their shrine at Elland Rd and from wherever Huddersfield Town will be getting hammered.

Even the final next week will play second fiddle to second rate soccer

The lengths some will go on here to prove their perceived superiority and ascendency over another continues to astound me. Does it really matter [ithat[/i much? On a forum about RL? Does it actually impress anybody? More a sad reflection on the person making the attack IMO rather than the person being attacked. What's the expression? Ah yes! Get a life

You got it correct with your last point Sal.

All Juan Cornetto has done is back up exactly what I said was put. He had no need to spend his hours copying and pasting, how sad must that individual be, I already said it on previous page, and he has just backed it up.

Why not actually post the quotes also in the context they were? Do they not just prove you wrong again Juan Cornetto. They are all from the one thread, and all in the same day, not over the season, as I said on previous page.

How much clearer can it be, that what I said in previous page is highlighted there in those posts.

Well it certainly includes you Sal....

Sal posted Jul 10 2011
“Peacock - finished he was terrible today and his knock on killed the momentum - he should have been pensioned off.”

Three years later this same pensioner is most people's favorite for Man of Steel this year and should have won it last year.



I did not take isolated proof. I gave 6 quotations to prove may point that Gotcha had rubbished the team and the coach in 2011. Gotcha had made the following outrageously false claim.=#0000BF "I was on the minority on here, with you, excited about McDermotts appointment, and continued to back him through 2011, through all the barrage. ."

Sal he stated =#0000BF"The coach may well be awful, almost certainly" and he called for him to be sacked "=#0000BFWe need a new coach, that's without argument" these were not just comparisons with another coach. And as I said he constantly rubbished the players too.

We were debating, and it is quite normal to challenge any statement perceived to be wrong.

No surprise that you object to reviewing posters ill judged comments with a record like yours

You are speaking gobbledydgook.

You made a false statement and I have proved it to be inaccurate. Nice of you to acknowledge that.

It didn't take long to find 6 separate quotes where you rubbished the coach and the team over a 2 day period in July 2011. I didn't need to look further to prove my point that you had rubbished the coach and the team in 2011

I did not take your comments out of context. Indeed I took the trouble to also quote the other posters to show the meaning of your replies.

Forgive me if I stumbled on one of your Jekyll and Hyde posting days by mistake but and if you didn't really mean what you stated then perhaps you could provide links that show through 2011 postings which back up your statement that "=#0000FF"I was on the minority on here, with you, excited about McDermotts appointment, and continued to back him through 2011, through all the barrage. ."

Lol at the scrambling defence by the usual suspects, it's nearly as good as Leeds' this season.

Nice to know that Sal is still fixated on anything I write seen as though he never took issue with 'ploinerrhino' and 'MattyLeeds' writing similar lighthearted comments on the other page



They don't like it up 'em do they Juan



Think you'll find everybody makes errornous views in hindsight on here, difference is some will have selective memory about it or try and make out they said something else. I myself said around 2011 we should look at getting rid of McDermott at the end of the season (no point doing in mid-season as there isn't usually a load of available top quality coaches). I also argued/thought around mid 2012 that I couldn't see McDermott ever being able to guide us to a top 2 finish in the regular season (he's pretty close ATM). I also just recently said JJB probably shouldn't be a starter when he returns from injury but he's proved me wrong.

One thing is for certain - you do not have enough about you to put it up anyone - joining in a gang is about where you are - pitiful if it weren't so funny

The question on the coach is not about his ability it is about is he the best man for the job? Would Leeds have won everything in 2011 and 2012 if say Trent Robinson had been the coach?

We all get it wrong from time to time as The Bloodbath knows I have a Cross to bear

(even though I was only defending a prop on the floor getting too much of a kicking)

A wide spectrum of views is welcome and nothing wrong with arguing your point strongly. But there are times when you just have to make a well aimed counter punch particularly when one of the members of the 'Keyboard Coaches & Mutual Back Slappers Club' is in full blame game mode.

You have forgotten Ryan Bailey from that list. In fact, he should have been mentioned before McGuire, who has played in 3 (2005, 2010, 2011).

Bailey has played in 5 of the 6 CC Final losses since '99, every one since 2003. As have Sinfield and Burrow. JJB has played in 4 (missed 2003).

Players with 3 losses: Ablett, Delaney, Hall, Kirke, Leuluai, McGuire.

So with ten players having suffered three or more final defeats, I would say the word 'group' is massively accurate myself.

Players with 2 losses: JP (with Leeds), Briscoe (Hull), BJB, Watkins, Clarkson.

1: Hardaker, Stevie Ward

Well I beg to differ. It is the coaches ability that has been questioned from the start. Brian McDermott has not just proven his ability in winning Championships but also in bringing on young players and overcoming injuries and poor form. He has won the respect of the dressing room and he also comes over clearly as an honest man who says what he thinks.

No one can answer your Trent Robinson question and so it is irrelevant other than to say TR could not have won much more than BM in 2011 and 2012. Also Mac is 3-2 up in matches against Catalan when they were opposition coaches.

Robbie Ward and Jordan Lilley in today's academy squad.

Id guess:

Golding
Briscoe Watkins Handley Hall
Hardaker Sutcliffe
Bailey Aiton Singleton
Walters Achurch
Ward

White Clarkson Kirke Minchella

has he won the respect of the dressing room or do 'friends' from his assistant days use or tolerate him

its ok quoting people changing their minds but to defend him to the hilt is very rose tinted specs

says what he thinks ? Stood impassionately lemon like during Bradford game which after semi final we are told they were practising his game plan. Must have been complicated to master with all the errors.

He can do the double then join his evil henchman at Bradford for me.

Mainly because think will need some one new to work with next generation.

Quote ="Juan Cornetto"We all get it wrong from time to time as The Bloodbath knows I have a Cross to bear'" No need to go back further than yesterday for proof of that - unless getting beat by a comfortable margin is evidence of 'a tricky one.' viewtopic.php?f=17&t=573053&tsmp=1408196414&start=15

Quote ="Juan Cornetto"We all get it wrong from time to time as The Bloodbath knows I have a Cross to bear'" No need to go back further than yesterday for proof of that - unless getting beat by a comfortable margin is evidence of 'a tricky one.' viewtopic.php?f=17&t=573053&tsmp=1408196414&start=15

Leeds fans slagging McDermott and Lowes?

I'm surprised anyone wants to come play for the club with fans like that.