Criticise him all you like tad, just use rational arguments. Hurt feelings after a loss need a vent, I get that, but is it really all Rohan's fault?

Apologies, didn’t realise Roberts was injured Seth.

Agree with rest of your post. To attempt to offer some optimism on the pack, I am hoping having Martin back in the second row will add some punch. Mik can’t possibly be as off form next year either. Last bit is more of a stretch, but I think Holroyd has maybe hit the wall this year. It’s the most pro games he’s played. Perhaps he burns hotter for longer next year.

I am also coming round to the idea that a 9 would help the pack a lot, granted the quota spot is probably more needed for the second half back though.

For me the worst thing we could do now is change the coach: we need time to repair the squad, have a full pre-season and regroup with some fresh blood and new ideas.

Actually a big concern or mine is that pack because it just really isn’t matching the top sides and that needs fixing up.

Agree with this. The way this season has gone, Smith will be under serious pressure if we start the next season in the same vein as 2023. Let's say we're well outside the top 6, 10 games in, and we're potentially looking at another season gone.

No one has said you can’t criticise RS.

What you seem to think is that people shouldn’t have a different opinion

fair enough mate.

the coach is the most important man. he sets the standards. he sets out how you play. he organizes, sets the game plan.
After nearly a full season I've no idea how he wants to play. his style chops and changes. forwards aggressive and dominating back to passive defending, short kick offs. I fully accept injuries but you have to compensate for that. have a plan. we look a total shambles. I gave absolute no faith in him, or his assistant coaches either. we have been utterly dreadful for the vast majority of the season and he has take a good chunk of the blame.

We’ve got 2 Quota spots available with Nene going. I wish the Levi signing had come off TBH

That could also have affected the players

Short kick offs was scrapped after the first game. I think he knows how he wants the team to play but we don’t have the personnel to do it.

The club’s mismanagement has led to the embarrassing performance and result today.

From Leeming leaving and others following and none being replaced, injuries and concussions.

But also Smith and GH have recruited and retained many clearly second rate players.

And yet again today we barely played the ball in the Wigan 25. This has happened in many games when we had far more players available and is due to the passive approach of the coach.

IF this was one of the other big clubs like Wigan or Saints, both GH and Smith would be removed due to underperforming.

It urgently needs to happen but won’t.

That would require finding a domestic centre though. We don’t want olpherts there and it’s be a big ask of Simpson coming off injury.

Come home Sutty all is forgiven.

I am not saying Smith should go however the coaching performance at the club should be assessed alongside everything else. As Seth has said Walker and Grix don't fill me with enthusiasm and are they Smiths choice or the club selections. Pre-season was poor and not taken seriously with lots of players played out of position and this rolled into the season.We obviously have had no luck with injuries but this affects all clubs. I would like to see Leeds start pre-season next year with a first choice 1 - 17 and an obvious structure of how we want to play. No tinkering just best players in their positions and developing their role in the team. 6th place should not be the summit of a club of Leeds statues ambition.

Can’t see him lasting 10 games with more Ls than Ws after having cap marquee and quota available. Even my patience is pretty thin, although the common denominator for me is GH as far as bad player decisions go,

This

CEOs in Hetherington position don’t just get ‘removed’, whos going to ‘remove’ him?

It may well be time to start looking at the set up but Hetherington isn’t just going to get sacked, that needs far more managing than say sacking a coach or getter rid of players

I think RS was frankly over-confident after our Indian summer last year and run to the GF.

The truth is the squad is where it is in the table pretty much on merit: our first grade squad when fit might have make the top six but we really don’t look contenders. To be fair RS does tend to play the specialist player in position when fit, he’s been forced into square pegs and round holes almost all season.

Surely it's not that bad? Granted he's better than Martin at centre.

At least the calls for Dwyer to come home seem to have died down

Fan revolt would force his hand but we are a little way off.

Agree with this. RS gave the impression that he thought things would carry on going his way, and he squandered the pre-season.

That was pathetic, embarrassing day for the club and only got themselves to blame

Watch us lose to Cas final home game…

Bad day today but we will be better next year, we have to be.

Toby King? Yorkshire lad and who knows if Wire actually want to keep him.

Which players were generally making the errors today then?

I’d be happy for Leeds to send Oledski and Newman to Wigan.

I know he won’t be kicked out on backside as he is on the board but it’s time Caddick stepped in, bought Gh some new golf clubs and said thanks very much, you need to leave the RL
Side and possibly step aside as ceo. He’s about 70 and has overseen consistent failure for a long time now.

What is the deal with King? I thought I saw he wasn’t staying at Wigan, maybe he gets a clean slate back at wire under burgess?