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| Butterill must be a genius to have us beating all these teams with apparently much more talent than us. Absolute Joke these England Youth squads..
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| A lot of the talented Leeds lads are a year below and will probably get selected next year. Let's not get our knickers in a twist over it.
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| Some talented Leeds lads are the right year aswel and are better than the players getting picked
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| It really isn't that important Matt.
Reece Sumner of Saints is only on the bench so looks like a team to make France competitive. It's a development game after all.
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| Not in the big picture for us as fans or for the club Marty, although i was looking forward to seeing some of our lads in the games, but for the kids and there parents it will be important. Rightly or wrongly i just dont feel some clubs scholarship players get a fair crack of the whip under this current England youth set up.
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| Matt you're talking like these are professional players missing out because there is some agenda. Mate these are schoolboys, some might be on holiday with their family for example.
Leeds 16s have a game on Wed and a decision might have been made to not pick them so they dont play 2 games in a week. We really dont know.
These lads are trying to earn professional contracts to join an academy it's not like they belong to any team at the moment. They are scholarship schoolboys. Some of the Leeds kids might sign elsewhere, who knows? Pretty sure Wire will be sniffing around a few as they do annually. Gannon went there and I presume the Gannon who captains our 16s will be his brother.
It's a development game at the end of the day.
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| Im really not talking anything like theyr professional Marty, international selection at this age is a reward for the players and there familys, regardless of how big or little it means long term, they should get that reward if theyv earned it. i dont think some clubs scholorship players get a fair crack of the whip, hence not getting the reward they deserve, you can call it an agenda, id call it favoriteism, if you dont agree thats fine, we dont need to.
Its not this year in isolation, its been this way over a period of time, last year our 16's hammered everyone when we played the full 16's side, Wigan and saints included. For the tour of france we had a measely 2 players, none of... J Burton, O Burton, I Stephens, H Anderson, L Delaney, R Rowley made the squad, what are the selectors looking at? Because in the games they played, they were running rings around opposition players who were making the national squad
Where the players ultimately sign isnt important imo, it should be about what theyr doing on the pitch now, if they end up signing for another team, good luck to them, i still want them getting there call ups if they deserve it.
I think the selection process at this particular age group is a joke, and has been for a while, you dont agree, thats fine, we can agree to disagree on this one.
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| I agree with you both Marty and Matt you both have valid points . My argument is though if we are not picking the elite kids then it shouldn’t be called England. I was told after the first test that Leeds relationship with the staff and selectors at scholarship level is poor and that
Reflects in selections. Leeds also have concerns about the quality of coaching the lads are getting whilst on these camps compared to their in house stuff . Don’t know how true it all is ? I just go by the games I watch and the poor standard of the 1st test . Leeds 16s have far superior players but someone somewhere knows better or has a clear agenda . Like you say Matt Butterill must be some coach if non of
His players are good enough to play at this level??
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| I also watched the first test v France and having watched a lot of u16s this season I reckon you could pick another 17 squad that would probably beat that England team.
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| Quote ="The Eclipse"I also watched the first test v France and having watched a lot of u16s this season I reckon you could pick another 17 squad that would probably beat that England team.'"
Agree 100%.
Infact I would go as far as say either Leeds or Castleford on their own would beat that England side that was selected.
There really were some bizarre selections.
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| Sinfield needs to step in and sort it
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| We don’t have room for egos and childish disagreements in the game.
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| Think people are totally overreacting to be honest. This has nothing to do with Leeds.
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| Quote ="Lanzarote Rhino"Sinfield needs to step in and sort it'"
Before Sinfield wades into any debate involving the wider game he needs to earn a little respect for his administrative abilities at club level IMO.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Before Sinfield wades into any debate involving the wider game he needs to earn a little respect for his administrative abilities at club level IMO.'"
I respect your opinion but Sinfield is at the top of England/Great Britain coaching appointments,like it or not
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| Beat Bradford 52 - 0 tonight, some lovely trys scored and rock solid defence to back it up.
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Beat Bradford 52 - 0 tonight, some lovely trys scored and rock solid defence to back it up.'"
Who looked good Matt? I wanted to go but could not get there, know a few from Wetherby and tad.
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| Parsons looked very dangerous going forward but his passing was a bit off at times.
Edgehill very good in all aspects; nice pass on him.
Stewart looked strong, couple of big hits in D.
Edwards very athletic as usual; couple of errors though.
Couple of the big bodies in our pack were too much for Bradford, although their 10 was strong and aggressive.
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| Terrific performance. Well coached team very structured, great shape. Good fast forwards, 2 good tough centres and a quality full back.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Terrific performance. Well coached team very structured, great shape. Good fast forwards, 2 good tough centres and a quality full back.'"
Bit disappointed with the errors though. That could have been a higher score had we not dropped the ball so much.
If they tighten up and work as a team they could do some real damage at this level.
Quite liked the London prop from the Eng-Fra U16s.
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| Quote ="Lanzarote Rhino"I respect your opinion but Sinfield is at the top of England/Great Britain coaching appointments,like it or not'"
In that case my bad. I was never too sure what his role with the RFL involved and in any case thought he'd stood down when he came back to HQ.
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| Quote ="Mark Laurie"Who looked good Matt? I wanted to go but could not get there, know a few from Wetherby and tad.'"
They were all impressive mark, really good all round performance, was very impressed with Tom Nicholson watten and Jonah Parsons. Of the wetherby lads...Gibbons looks a proper athlete, big lad witha good turn of pace and footwork, scored a lovely try from round about half way.Field was his usual classy self, calm and composed pulling the strings and Little played out of position on the wing but showed his outstanding footwork a couple of time and had a couple of nice bursts. I watched the game on Bulls facebook, think it will still be on there to watch.
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| Today is the first day that Clubs can officially talk to scholars from other clubs. Don't be surprised if Warrington try to raid you. They are throwing ridiculous money at kids.
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| They always do.
Why bother identifying talent when you can let others do it, nurture it, so you can step in right at the end and steal it away.
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| thing is, they poached 2 of our best prospects with stupid 'petrol' money and ruined them.hopfully others have learned there lesson
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