Its obvious you have - you singled out Singleton who was head and shoulders above Cuthbertson who was guttless.

If Ablett is out for the year then Cam Smith might get a game - at least he will be fit the forwards on the whole look over weight and unfit

Well said, great following from HKR, that kind of support can make the difference on a day like today. Good luck to them they are a good club.

As for us what more can be said that hasn't already? Clear out and massive changes are required and the evidence is there for all to see once again. If widnes win this weekend then next week is going to be one hell of a test. The players need to look in the mirror and ask serious questions about desire because i'm not seeing it.

I hope all those that defended the score line against London now are starting to have a bit of realisation. It was not just a case of winning, the performance and points conceded were so very important. And in terms of points difference, looking at Toronto and Toulouse now, that scoreline against London could end up a key decider.

Singleton was horrendous Sal. He couldn’t break his way out of a paper bag. He is the definition of Powder Puff.

I totally agree on Smith, unbelievable that has not been playing.

Few points diff away from 3rd now if Toronto continue to rout London. Doesnt matter how we win as long as we win? Yeah right.

The best side won today and it would have been fitting if McGuire had scored his late try as he deserved one.

We are lacking leadership and quality and unless Sinfield gets his boots on again I can see further struggles ahead as we need his game management and kicking ability.

Cuthbertson is no better he doesn't make yardage - at impact he turns his back and that isn't always about finding the offload - at least Singleton will put some effort into running at the line and tackling - Cuthbertson always goes for the legs if a big forward runs at him he hates the tough stuff - his attempt to stop Vaivai was nothing short of a disgrace as was his effort that lead to Atkins try.

One of the turning points for me was taking the two early on in the second half when we had a bit of a roll on, i said at the time that it sapped all our momentum, score then to take it out to 3 scores and we win IMO

Cuthbertson isn’t a prop IMO, he’s better of at loose forward

That's a fair point but its a team low on confidence trying to creep over the line - sad its come to this

He is not quick enough to play loose forward - he just needs to get on with leading from front and running at the line at the best speed he can not in his half-d current fashion so he doesn't get hurt.

Looks like Toronto are taking a leaf out of our book. Which is good for us. Every cloud n all that.

He’s quicker than JJB who has been playing there!

Anyway if im trying to pick any positives I though the following went ok

Ward
Both Briscoes
Parcell
Thompson

Just because he is quicker than a player than should have retired in 2015 isn't saying much. My idea of a loose forward - Sean O'Loughlin - who would leave Cuthbertson for dead in a sprint despite being older.


I thought Ward was pretty average, his injury can't have helped - Ton Briscoe was OK, Dwyer in the first spell, Parcell looks like Moon he is on the plane. The rest pretty dire.

Christopher surely you must be ignoring Luke Briscoe from a defensive point there? He was absolutely awful defensively, and with kicks. Same for Thompson defensively, he also looked very suspect.

Id usually watch it back to see whether my opinion from the live game matches my opinion after watching it on tv, but I don’t think ill bother watching it again.

The whole team was suspect in defence, im just trying to get some crumb of comfort from our attack which did look slightly better.

As I say I would usually give it a rewatch to watch closer but I’m not a sadist.

Dont blame you

Watching Leeds at the moment is akin to sticking hot pokers in your eyes.

They will survive, either because they will make the top 3 or the ref will bizarrely have a shocker in the MPG.

Without Leeds most SL clubs are in deep poop

The mental fragility of this side in such a game might require more than the efforts of just one extra man.

This team keeps surprising me at how bad they actually are. I’m starting to think we don’t have the mental strength to win any game if it’s close. We’re weak, when the pressures on we fold.

Relegation isn’t as unlikely as I have been thinking. I also think we’d have been better off with McDermott finishing off the season, we’ve deteriorated even more since he left (should have gone last season).

Indeed

The sacking of McDermott and replacing with lowes Sinfield has most definitely not worked.

Just how does Sutcliffe keep getting picked ? Does he have some incriminating photos of someone in the organisation ? Whilst it's fair to say others were equally pathetic today , this clown always plays at this level is he ever going to have an influential game ??

And don't get me started about Ward in the centres , I can only assume Jimmy is injured otherwise someone has lost the plot totally , pretty grim days indeed

I think it's highly likely the Halifax vs Leeds and Leeds vs Toronto games will now be moved to the Saturday TV slots.