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I'm pretty sure I also bagged JJB when he was a young player, IIRC for his injury record and propensity to drop the ball, and later for the bizarre coaching move of playing him as a prop forward. Really came into his own around 2007-8, and I remember being happy to have been proven wrong! Likewise, I also regret bagging Stevie Ward when he was struggling for form a few years ago (before some of the bigger injuries he later sustained).
I think most fans could learn to be a bit more patient with players, especially those early in their careers. It's unfortunate that younger players can sometimes come under such intense (and unfair) scrutiny - typically because they have been over-hyped, play in an important position, or the team as a whole isn't playing well.'"
I don't think any young player is over hyped. They are compared to their peers and the hype comes because they are at the top of that group. What happens to them next comes down a lot to how they are developed, and then how they respond to that. That doesn't mean they were overhyped when comments are made, as at that time it may be justified.
Unless players get the opportunity to prove themselves, then anybody hyping a player from what they have seen is surely not wrong. By the same token, if at a moment in time the oppossite happens on a player given opportunity to prove themselves, then again, comments are made on that period of time.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I don't think any young player is over hyped. They are compared to their peers and the hype comes because they are at the top of that group. What happens to them next comes down a lot to how they are developed, and then how they respond to that. That doesn't mean they were overhyped when comments are made, as at that time it may be justified.
Unless players get the opportunity to prove themselves, then anybody hyping a player from what they have seen is surely not wrong. By the same token, if at a moment in time the oppossite happens on a player given opportunity to prove themselves, then again, comments are made on that period of time.'"
I think you're going to have to draw a diagram to make that gobbledygook make sense.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I don't think any young player is over hyped. They are compared to their peers and the hype comes because they are at the top of that group. What happens to them next comes down a lot to how they are developed, and then how they respond to that. That doesn't mean they were overhyped when comments are made, as at that time it may be justified.
Unless players get the opportunity to prove themselves, then anybody hyping a player from what they have seen is surely not wrong. By the same token, if at a moment in time the oppossite happens on a player given opportunity to prove themselves, then again, comments are made on that period of time.'"
Makes perfect sense to me Gotcha...You think that Walters is going to become a star by not being hyped
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| Jack was outstanding tonight, hope the injury isn’t too serious
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| It's not according to Sir Kev. Walker was sensational in attack and defence last night. Pure class. Amazingly people criticise him on here. Laughable. He's a stud at 18 yr old.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"It's not according to Sir Kev. Walker was sensational in attack and defence last night. Pure class. Amazingly people criticise him on here. Laughable. He's a stud at 18 yr old.'"
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"It's not according to Sir Kev. Walker was sensational in attack and defence last night. Pure class. Amazingly people criticise him on here. Laughable.[u He's a stud at 18 yr old[/u.'"
So was I (I think!)
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| Youve got to be pretty limited in your understanding of the game to not see walkers talents and future potential.
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| The best young player to emerge at Leeds since Watkins - a very special player
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| I can see Walker winning Super Leagues young player of the year award. Mik Oledski could also be a contender, two positives to come out of the 2018 season.
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| Yes walker is fantastic to watch even in a team that has been on the back foot most of the season. Could never understand McDermott even thinking Goulding was in the same bracket
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| Quote ="jensenFF"Yes walker is fantastic to watch even in a team that has been on the back foot most of the season. Could never understand McDermott even thinking Goulding was in the same bracket'"
McDermott didn’t, it was just certain fans.
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| Quote ="jensenFF"Yes walker is fantastic to watch even in a team that has been on the back foot most of the season. Could never understand McDermott even thinking Goulding was in the same bracket'"
No one thinks Goulding is in the same bracket as Walker, that's because we don't have a Goulding playing for us.
Once again the Walker fan boys are out as he looks half decent against canon fodder, easy looking good against 12 man Leigh and perhaps the worse super league side since london broncos in 2014. Can't do it against any half decent side, all hype nothing more, be playing at fev or Bradford with lilley in 2 years time.
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| Deary me
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"No one thinks Goulding is in the same bracket as Walker, that's because we don't have a Goulding playing for us.
Once again the Walker fan boys are out as he looks half decent against canon fodder, easy looking good against 12 man Leigh and perhaps the worse super league side since london broncos in 2014. Can't do it against any half decent side, all hype nothing more, be playing at fev or Bradford with lilley in 2 years time.'"
Just out of interest did you see,attend or WATCH any of his games last year namely the GF but the others he played in?
He's hit some inconsistency this year but no worse than the team nor Golding.
The kid will be a great FB for us & we can re-visit this in your 2yrs prediction.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Just out of interest did you see,attend or WATCH any of his games last year namely the GF but the others he played in?
He's hit some inconsistency this year but no worse than the team nor Golding.
The kid will be a great FB for us & we can re-visit this in your 2yrs prediction.'"
pretty much saw all his games last season and this, i hope you are right and i am right, that would be the best scenario, believe me i would not take pleasure in being a "told you so" much rather he did become a world beater, i just dont see it. But if i am right and he as been over hyped, the mob will soon turn on him. unfortunately people were saying the same things about Sutcliffe 3-4 years ago and others in the past.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"pretty much saw all his games last season and this, i hope you are right and i am right, that would be the best scenario, believe me i would not take pleasure in being a "told you so" much rather he did become a world beater, i just dont see it. But if i am right and he as been over hyped, the mob will soon turn on him. unfortunately people were saying the same things about Sutcliffe 3-4 years ago and others in the past.'"
Why does it have to be world beater or nothing? There isn't even people saying that, only you making that assumption. Why can't we just have a damn good player, who is the best at the club in his position, and as the potential to improve further? What is the issue with that?
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"No one thinks Goulding is in the same bracket as Walker, that's because we don't have a Goulding playing for us.
Once again the Walker fan boys are out as he looks half decent against canon fodder, easy looking good against 12 man Leigh and perhaps the worse super league side since london broncos in 2014. Can't do it against any half decent side, all hype nothing more, be playing at fev or Bradford with lilley in 2 years time.'"
Golding fan boy.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Why does it have to be world beater or nothing? There isn't even people saying that, only you making that assumption. Why can't we just have a damn good player, who is the best at the club in his position, and as the potential to improve further? What is the issue with that?'"
but thats what people are making him out to be, thats what this post started out as, people talking about the hype, like i said hope i am wrong, although my comments where slightly tongue in cheek above out playing for Fev, but he is not the golden boy some are making out.
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| Quote ="rugbyleague88"Golding fan boy.'"
not really, but i don't like how people attack him without justification, it seems some players cant do wrong and others cant do right, also concerned about some racial abuse that was heard at Cas against Golding and Walters. just because you like one player over another there is no need to attack the player you don't like all the time.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"but thats what people are making him out to be, thats what this post started out as, people talking about the hype, like i said hope i am wrong, although my comments where slightly tongue in cheek above out playing for Fev, but he is not the golden boy some are making out.'"
He's about as golden as we had when McGuire, Chev Walker, Watkins, came through the system. Like them, it is how he develops from here on in. The comments around those previous players were the same. Were you poo pooing everyone then for making positive comments on a young player?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He's about as golden as we had when McGuire, Chev Walker, Watkins, came through the system. Like them, it is how he develops from here on in. The comments around those previous players were the same. Were you poo pooing everyone then for making positive comments on a young player?'"
All those 3 were streets ahead of Walker, sorry buts its true, chev Walker had already played for England at just 18. this is not about bagging walker and some people are trying to make out it is.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"All those 3 were streets ahead of Walker, sorry buts its true, chev Walker had already played for England at just 18. this is not about bagging walker and some people are trying to make out it is.'"
You are bagging him, and you do it simply because you don't like others hyping him. Whether you intend to do that or not, you do it.
They were not streets ahead of him at all in terms of quality to their peers, that is the issue. For his age and his role, Walker is up there in this country as one of the best, at this stage. Just like the three players I mentioned earlier were. The point which I think you might be alluding to his the quality in individual skill was better with those three. That might well be the case, but in terms of quality of the competition and how they rate to that, then Walker is at that sort of level.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You are bagging him, and you do it simply because you don't like others hyping him. Whether you intend to do that or not, you do it.
They were not streets ahead of him at all in terms of quality to their peers, that is the issue. For his age and his role, Walker is up there in this country as one of the best, at this stage. Just like the three players I mentioned earlier were. The point which I think you might be alluding to his the quality in individual skill was better with those three. That might well be the case, but in terms of quality of the competition and how they rate to that, then Walker is at that sort of level.'"
Well just after disagree then won't we and time will tell.
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