Smokey is correct about the SL attendances.

Those average attendance figures on that graph make no sense because they provide no indication whatsoever to which comparable fixtures and attendances they refer to.

When the new 3x8 structure began in 2015, I collated the attendance stats for the 12 teams before the split up to the end of Round 23 and compared those attendances with the exact same fixtures that had been played in the 2014 regular season between the very same teams. There was no point collating any further attendances after Round 23 and the split because different fixtures were now being played between different teams and no further like-for-like comparison could be made.

According to my collated stats, the attendances in 2015 up to Round 23 (the only fixtures that were comparable between the same clubs) were down by just shy of 1% overall (0.94% down in fact) on the figures for the same fixtures in 2014.

If loiner81 cannot grasp that by removing the attendances of Bradford (Avg: 6,891 in 2014) and London Broncos (Avg: 1295 in 2014) and reworking the average SL attendance in 2015 based upon 12 teams instead of the 14 in 2014 isn't going to distort that comparison, then there really is no hope for him

How most people work out a sport's average attendance for a season.
1. Add up all average attendances from all competing clubs.
2. Divide the total by the number of clubs.


How trolls work out a sport's average attendance for the season.
1. Look at as many different ways as possible to work out averages, nomatter how complex or ridiculous they might be.
2. Choose the one that helps with your agenda.

How most people people work out whether attendance has gone up or down.
1. Look at number of people who attended in both seasons
2. Work out which is the higher number


How the Cheerleaders and Protectors Of The Game As A Whole work out whether attendance has gone up or down.
1. Compare attendances
2. realise they went down
3. Compare Apple and Oranges
4. Whine

Again, considering you are asking us to not only ignore the massive drop in attendances at Bradford and London between 2014 and 2015, and you are asking us to ignore the the effect they had in bringing down the averages in 2014 (but not 2015), if we are committing this mental gymnastics to pretend attendances went up, why be so unambitious with it?

Which is what's been done in the very easy to follow chart that you claim is untrue. You know, the one that shows 2015 being higher than 2014 and 2016 being slightly down on 2015....
Which is what i've been saying all along.

It's like you don't even realise when you're contradicting yourself.

As for the rest of your post, the fact you're wanting to somehow disregard London & Bradford's crowd figures in 2014 because they got relegated after terrible seasons just says it all and completely backs up what I said in my previous post.



But that's me done anyway.

Why don't you compare Sts, Wigan, Warrington and leeds attendances (plus any others you want) that are SL regulars and supposedly the best supported, then it removes the 'well Man Yoo RLFC played that year, whereas a Glasgow based team were in SL that year so the swing of 72,000 versus 1 attendance [likely myself as the only RL fan in Glasgow is distorting your figures' argument..?

Quite hypocritical of you to add context to the numbers with regards to pointing out London and Bradford's departure yet you whinged when I added context to your "we only conceded 99 points more" agenda which was grossly misleading.

..............

if that were the case you would have used a total, not an average which includes some teams and not others and some games and not others


I don't want disregard Bradford's or London so figured. They should be included in 2014 and 2015. Their relegation was a feature of the system. Not a bug.

you didn't 'add context' you just changed figures you didn't like.

A 1% change is not significant. That could be a simple recording error, it's well within the accepted variation within a population recorded like this and I would be very surprised if clubs are able to accurately measure attendance to 1% (that's +/- 80 on an 8000 gate). You're all arguing over nothing.

No change there then.

At least its all on one thread though.

Small mercies and all that.

Just stop it

Santa is real. If you really really believe

Good thread this.

....so when do I become a Moderator then?

when your 49 turns up on time.

When you take up your cushioned seat in the spanking brand new southstand.

It is when a 12% increase in SL attendances in 2015 is alleged instead.

Are attendance stats not over egged anyway. Don't they include all season tickets and pre sales anyway regardless if they attend or not

they do and they should

Every sport does that though, you can't sell a ticket twice