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| Quote ="dubairl"josh charnley has just had a bumper pay rise and got a range rover
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| All the suggestions I've been given are that his personal issues are nothing to do with his contract at Leeds. Unless he needs relief from the stress of said contract.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Maybe the days when GH was able to get players to take less money for the glory of playing for Leeds is over? With an ageing team - especially the key players - the others see a less successful time ahead. With the likes of Warrington and Salford prepared to pay above the odds maybe some players' heads have been turned especially when they discuss pay at international get togethers.
As has been discussed here I read somewhere GH talking about the pay structure which IIRC was based on international recognition at the top. If this is the case then the likes of Hardaker would be well within their rights to suggest they should be earning what a Burrow or JJB is earning?'"
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I said as much in an earlier thread....the danger signs are there. The club seems more interested in hanging onto past glories in the shape of the older incumbents at the expense of the younger better future of the club.
Kearney is not a bad player, but would be another step backwards (Aiton is the first - Leeds looking more and more like an average SL team).
Losing Hardaker would be a heavy blow, whilst we still have McGuire, Bailey, Lleulai, Kirke et all
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| The latest goss about Zak is...
He was out and about (in bars) and got caught up in a brawl with another Rugby player from the Championship. I dont know who. Zak got a considerable beating leaving his face not ideal for TV viewing.
Simple as that
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| Quote ="W55ARE"The latest goss about Zak is...
He was out and about (in bars) and got caught up in a brawl with another Rugby player from the Championship. I dont know who. Zak got a considerable beating leaving his face not ideal for TV viewing.
Simple as that'"
Still be an improvement on Westwood!
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| Quote ="W55ARE"The latest goss about Zak is...
He was out and about (in bars) and got caught up in a brawl with another Rugby player from the Championship. I dont know who. Zak got a considerable beating leaving his face not ideal for TV viewing.
Simple as that'"
And that rumour is asbolute gash. I read that from others about it being Wednesday night.
I know for a fact, having seen him on Saturday morning before the bus arrived at the hotel, that he had no bruising on his face.
Your rumour may well have happened at some point, not disputing that one, but it didn't happen in the last week, as the rumours go.
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| The rumours of coke testing....drinking...fighting....will all circulate until it's nipped in the bud with an announcement of rough details.
From Mac interview he hardly seems close to Zak, you'd think he'd be straight on the phone to him or asking his other team mates who are close to him.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"The rumours of coke testing....drinking...fighting....will all circulate until it's nipped in the bud with an announcement of rough details.
From Mac interview he hardly seems close to Zak, you'd think he'd be straight on the phone to him or asking his other team mates who are close to him.'"
I think the Leeds response to all this has been an absolute disgrace to be honest.
The rumours circulated on Sunday, and a confirmed withdrawal on Monday afternoon. It is now Wednesday, and the only time the Leeds club have commented has been in response to interviews, with mixed views. The club have left the kid out to dry throughout all these rumours.
Compare and contrast to that g0be at Salford, who rightly or wrongly, was very quick in coming out in support of their player.
If you were Hardaker or another player to be honest, you would seriously question the support of the club with this regards. They have no need to give details, they should just issue a statement that supports the kid and clear up idle gossip, and leave it at that. The only statement on the club website has been the England one.
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| Zak does come across as the stereotypical big daft lad,if the rumours of leaving are true unless he leaves for a top 5 club he's taking a backward step.
Not saying it's discipline or drink related as I dont know but as an aside why do people throw their careers down the toilet for the sake of a p*ss up?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I think the Leeds response to all this has been an absolute disgrace to be honest.
The rumours circulated on Sunday, and a confirmed withdrawal on Monday afternoon. It is now Wednesday, and the only time the Leeds club have commented has been in response to interviews, with mixed views. The club have left the kid out to dry throughout all these rumours.
Compare and contrast to that g0be at Salford, who rightly or wrongly, was very quick in coming out in support of their player.
If you were Hardaker or another player to be honest, you would seriously question the support of the club with this regards. They have no need to give details, they should just issue a statement that supports the kid and clear up idle gossip, and leave it at that. The only statement on the club website has been the England one.'"
Did you think maybe what you have suggested Leeds should have done has happened in house? Leeds perhaps have poker faced the situation. Zak asked for privacy. Leeds haven't added fuel to the fire unlike Salford who made an embarrassing situation worse by defending the undefendable.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I think the Leeds response to all this has been an absolute disgrace to be honest.
The rumours circulated on Sunday, and a confirmed withdrawal on Monday afternoon. It is now Wednesday, and the only time the Leeds club have commented has been in response to interviews, with mixed views. The club have left the kid out to dry throughout all these rumours.
Compare and contrast to that g0be at Salford, who rightly or wrongly, was very quick in coming out in support of their player.
If you were Hardaker or another player to be honest, you would seriously question the support of the club with this regards. They have no need to give details, they should just issue a statement that supports the kid and clear up idle gossip, and leave it at that. The only statement on the club website has been the England one.'"
I imagine he has been given support in house. Issuing a statement to the press is hardly great support. No one really knows what these personal issues are, maybe the club are helping him through these issues without the need for public statements. Also this appears different to the hock issue, who was himself very vocal, whereas hardaker has asked for privacy so maybe the club are just respecting his wishes
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| Quote ="Les Norton"Appropriate choice of vehicle for pulling his caravan.'"
not really they are terribly unstable because of there height.
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Hopefully not a real one? Just a chavy range rover sport
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| In straight-batting this in public Leeds have played it well IMO.
If they had said that they knew all about it and were working with the player, then they would have just faced further pressure to give more details which they couldn't do without disregarding the player's wish for privacy.
Much easier to just say that they don't know anything, at least until after Hardaker himself makes his statement tomorrow.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"If you were Hardaker or another player to be honest, you would seriously question the support of the club with this regards. They have no need to give details, they should just issue a statement that supports the kid and clear up idle gossip, and leave it at that. The only statement on the club website has been the England one.'"
And what if Hardaker has asked the club to respect his privacy and not issue a statement at all about him?
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| Quote ="dubairl"not really they are terribly unstable because of there height.'"
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| I think the Club could easily have said that they are working to help the player through whatever issues there are with him without dis-respecting his own privacy wishes which England did.
I dont think we need any fine details just the asurances that the player will be supported and get the required help to hopefully get through this asap and back on the field doing what he does best.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"In straight-batting this in public Leeds have played it well IMO.
If they had said that they knew all about it and were working with the player, then they would have just faced further pressure to give more details which they couldn't do without disregarding the player's wish for privacy.
Much easier to just say that they don't know anything, at least until after Hardaker himself makes his statement tomorrow.'"
People just can't wait to find out. The twitter generation goes into withdrawal if they don't know everything immediately.
I haven't a clue what his personal issues are, I guess that's why they are personal?
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I think the Club could easily have said that they are working to help the player through whatever issues there are with him without dis-respecting his own privacy wishes which England did.
I dont think we need any fine details just the asurances that the player will be supported and get the required help to hopefully get through this asap and back on the field doing what he does best.'"
The club could have said that if that's what they intend to actually do. But what if they don't intend to do that? What if they just haven't made a decision. Would look pretty bad if they offered full support etc. as you suggest and then he is shown the door.
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| Quote ="DHM"The club could have said that if that's what they intend to actually do. But what if they don't intend to do that? What if they just haven't made a decision. Would look pretty bad if they offered full support etc. as you suggest and then he is shown the door.'"
I understand what you are saying but it can be made clear.
Imo mate they are 2 seperate issues they can publicly/privately offer any amount of counselling ,help etc etc without giving any commitment to his future as a Leeds player.
His current "issues" if are mental/bad should take priority over any talk of playing his playing future can be discussed/decided at a later date without hindering any support he needs now.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I understand what you are saying but it can be made clear.
Imo mate they are 2 seperate issues they can publicly/privately offer any amount of counselling ,help etc etc without giving any commitment to his future as a Leeds player.
His current "issues" if are mental/bad should take priority over any talk of playing his playing future can be discussed/decided at a later date without hindering any support he needs now.'"
But why are the club expected to make that statement before they have decided what they are going to do? More to the point, why can't you wait? It seems to be getting a lot of people hot under the collar when it actually doesn't affect anyone other than the player and his employers.
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| I can wait i was posting an opinion about the situation i arent screaming for updates or a full minute by minute break-down the Kids health/well being is the priority.
As for getting hot under the collar fans will always show an interest/concern when it effects their players will they not?
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| Quote ="DHM"But why are the club expected to make that statement before they have decided what they are going to do? More to the point, why can't you wait? It seems to be getting a lot of people hot under the collar when it actually doesn't affect anyone other than the player and his employers.'"
We matter diddly squat. That isn't the point. We don't need to know the details.
But what the club shouldn't be doing is leaving the kid out to dry on his own. They must be aware of all the malicious rumours. Give something that puts a stop to those, and protects the kid. Then deal with whatever it is privately.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"It doesn't stink of greed at all. it is a short career, and if it is Leeds that have put the bars in place for earnings, then it is them that has to live with the consequences of that.
Other than Sinfield and Peacock, Hardaker should be the one name at the club that they should try and do everything possible to retain. And I don't for one minute think Peacock will be in the higher payment bracket anymore. If one of the higher earners has to leave to accomodate Hardaker fitting in to Leeds own salary structure, then so be it, as far as I am concerned.'"
It is greed......yes its a short career, but he signed a long term contract just last year so you can't excuse a sudden demand for money (if this is the case - you stated) when all the Leeds players know the system GH pays and uses the salary cap. Its a salary capped sport, you have to take less at times, if your not willing then it may be better to go somewhere else than have that in the camp. Yes he is a very good player, do I think Leeds will have a dramatic decline if we lose him.....no....should GH make a special case for him after agreeing to a contract just recently, no not if it comes at the cost of getting too close to the salary cap and upsetting the system in place.
We have fringe playes making maybe half the salary of starting players at lower clubs, but they have come through the ranks or see the professional set up as a better step for them....basically you cant expect to win and be paid the top whack all the time.....it can't work.....
EDIT - Hall and Watkins are ahead of Zak for me in keeping at the club if you want to go there
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| It might be that there are no mental health issues (hopefully) & his issues are behavioural to an extent that potentially reflects poorly on the game & Leeds. Until they know the facts it might be they are better off not saying too much until the facts are clearer.
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