According to Carney, Eddie and Stevo refs aren't influenced by vociferous crowds, and even if they are it's alright because they're equally swayed by all of them.

If Catalans do habitually get more penalties at home than other teams, then it's fair comment from McDermott.

BM's comments seemed rather strange, although, as a biased Rhino, I can find myself agreeing.
I just wonder if those comments were a tongue in cheek response to the outburst by the departing Catalans' coach, Trent Robinson, following their exit from last year's play offs at our hands. He seemed to think the exact opposite of what BM said tonight.
I do suspect that, as in the Bradford game, refs may sub consciously favour the underdogs at certain times, although I have no complaints about that result - Bradford were at least our equals on Thursday.

I'm surprised nobodies mentioned the Pryce try. I still can't understand how it was given.

On the rest of the game I thought it was an excellent team performance the defence again was superb, I have to say. I thought Ward and Moon were outstanding. The attack though is still pretty woeful, I think it's almost 2 months since we scored more than 3 tries in a game.

Excellent gutsy performance from Leeds especially when down to 12 men and with a one sided ref. Also the side looked well prepared by Big Mac and the coaching team. Good call to have an extra night at home. I thought JJB put in another big effort and scored another important try. Ward went well and Moon's classy form continues.

Delaney and Kirke hamstrings & Bailey suspension could provide a test for the reserves.

Likewise I am mystified at the awarding of the pryce try. Even with the benefit of doubt ,I could not see any try in that pile of players.

There was also Pelissier's push on Moon that would have got a penalty even in the NFL.

JJB worked his nuts off, but he still looks like conceding a penalty in every tackle he's involved in.

Well, with Kylie coming back, and Moore well rested, and the possible return of Hardaker allowing Ablet to move back into the forwards we should be able to manage.

Unless Pryce was awarded a penalty try - I thought the ball was stripped - the decision baffled me. None of the angles suggested that he was still in contact with the ball, let alone in control of it.

Don't know about anyone else, but the pryce try was one of the worst VR calls I've ever seen. How was that a try? pryce clearly didn't have the ball, the fullback shoves moon out of the way?

It was a shocker!

I have just watched the Bailey tackle again & have to say that I think the touch judge & Thaler got this wrong. First thing to say is that it appears that neither the touchy or Thaler thought it was a shoulder charge tackle & I don't think it was based on my understanding of a shoulder charger either. So, he was not dismissed for a shoulder charge & I assume Thalers report will not cite that as the reason for the red card. Thaler said in conversation with his touchy that (he thought) it was late and there was contact with the head & he then asked his touchy did he contact with the head? The touchy said he does & then Thaler immediately sends Bailey off on the basis that it was late and contacted with the head, off course it is the contact with the head that justifies the red card as a late legal tackle is just now generally considered a penalty.

Having looked at it both at full speed & the replays then I think the late call is debatable. Bailey hits Bosc just a slit second after he passes the ball & indeed looking at the video the ball doesn't get to Pryce before the hit comes in and it does look like Bailey was committed, but he does hit him after the ball has left so happy to concede that it was late, even if Bailey was probably unable to pull out. As for contact with the head, it appears to me that there isn't any contact with the head. One of the angles does seem to show Bosc heads going back but from the other angles that looks to be just the head going back from the force of the hit and not due to any illegal contact.

Having said all that, I struggle to overly critisise Thaler or his touchy because they at least made a decision & stuck with it, even if the video proves them to be incorrect in hindsight. I support ref's not been afraid to get the red card out & not bottle making a decision on incidents like this and taking the easy way out of putting it on report & therefore shifting the responsibility to the video review & then the disciplinary panel. They made a call & I have to respect them for that.

Equally, assuming that Thalers repot cites a late challenge & illegal contact with the head, and it appears that there wasn't any, then Bailey will just get sending off sufficient or possibly no case to answer & be available next week.

Can't see that it was stripped either just one of those cases where the ball is less secure reaching for the grounding and there's hands in making the tackle/attempting to hold the ball up.

It can't have been a penalty try because it would have been awarded under the sticks, but must agree, I couldn't see any clear evidence of the ball being touched down legally, in fact the weight of evidence seems to point to the opposite. Couple that with what looks like a clear push on Moon, then I struggle to see why he felt the warranted even a benefit of a doubt call.

Of course, he might find his earlier swinging arm might get him a trip to Redhall, so maybe saying he should be available next week is premature!

Unfair. Against Bradford he made 48 tackles and only a couple of penalties. I wish we had another 2 like him.

That's pretty much how I saw it. Not particularly late, nowhere near as late as the one Catalans were penalised for, and didnt make contact with the head. I too don't really blame Thaler for sending Bailey off. If there had been contact with the head then a red card would be justified and Thaler and the TJ's get only one look at it. I wish there had been a ref with Thalers balls at Headingley on Thursday.

As for the Pryce try, that's a ridiculous call. A clear obstruction on Moon.

JJB undoubtedly gives away many penalties.....BUT I would always have him as one of the first on the team sheet.

How the Pryce "try" could be awarded is incomprehensible....bizarre.

Even with just 12 men, is it just coincidence that Leeds looked a lot better with a 'proper' hooker on the field of play?? McShane should be on for large minutes just for those close in dummy half speciality tries.

I thought we looked better with mcshane on with rob getting into dummy half when required, it worked well.

In response to the Pryce try, I thought Ian Smith would have done a better job with it and disallowed the try

IA-Re-Thaler i totally disagree he's got the call wrong the touch judge has the call wrong and he's sent off Bailey so how does that add up to doing a decent job because he showed guts to Red card a player that wasn't deserved???
First of all our discipline was totally p!$$ we've had Thaler before and at H/T it was very clear how he was "reffing" this one yet we continued to give ridiculous cheap penalties away and made it easy for him to ping us imo.
That said once again live on tv we've witnessed a team of officials clearly not up to the job and even worse from the VR.
It's about time the RFL actually monitored and coached these officials because they are spoiling games and having an input into the games they shouldn't be having imo.
Fair play to the lads a great effort and well deserved hard earned win but just once i'd also like MC to rip into his team for cheap penalties and stupid avoidable intefferance at the ptb.

Interesting interview with Brian Mac - www.therhinos.co.uk/matchdaytv/? ... VoWuZNOSSo

Interesting interview with Brian Mac - www.therhinos.co.uk/matchdaytv/? ... VoWuZNOSSo

Quote ="MattyLeeds"Interesting interview with Brian Mac - www.therhinos.co.uk/matchdaytv/? ... VoWuZNOSSo'" Personally think he does himself a disservice in that interview, there were some poor calls but Leeds discipline (not for the first time) was poor too, and would think he'll honestly relay that to the players too.

Quote ="MattyLeeds"Interesting interview with Brian Mac - www.therhinos.co.uk/matchdaytv/? ... VoWuZNOSSo'" Personally think he does himself a disservice in that interview, there were some poor calls but Leeds discipline (not for the first time) was poor too, and would think he'll honestly relay that to the players too.

Got back from elland road avoided the result very good performance backs to the wall.

One question re the team warning how long do they last for?

At the referee's disgression, so it could be 5 mins to the whole game i'd imagine

No set time, just at the referrees descretion.

I agree Seth we did ourselves no favours when it was clear very early on how Thaler was gonna perform.
That said Thaler was sh## when it came to the penalty count going the other way and not the 50/50's either blatant offences ignored by the numpty.

Thought the opening 2 of the second half stood out as being harsh, seemingly calling 'move' then immediately awarding the penalty, though would have to watch again to confirm. Many more were poor though, firstly giving the strip on peacock that never was whilst giving the knock on against McGuire playing at pryces arm, though neither discipline concerns.