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| Quote ="Cibaman"If the RFL had announced before MW (when the Bulls problems were well known) that Leeds' result in that game would stand it would have been the best of a bad job. Trying to sort it out afterwards, when the winners and losers have set agendas, makes it a nightmare.'" That would have been ridiculous though - pre-empting things that were by no means certain. The RFL would have been mad to make that kind of comment at that stage.
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| Quote ="Wilbred T Pricklepop"The rfl are in a situation where, if it comes to that, due to the MM weekend fixture it's impossible for them to be fair to everyone.
If they allow pre liquidation results to stand, and post liquidation results to be a bye, we've gained 2 points on other teams because we play them 3 times.
If they expunge all results against bulls, we've been screwed over necause we play them 3 times.
But, that's what happens when you f*ck about having some teams play each other more than others.'"
One way is to expunge all games, except the MM result
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| also if they dont form a Newco in 10 days there will be no money to run the club / team
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| Quote ="MjM"That would have been ridiculous though - pre-empting things that were by no means certain. The RFL would have been mad to make that kind of comment at that stage.'"
Certainly not ideal but best of a bad job as I said. They do actually need a process for dealing with clubs dropping out of SL but because the existing approach, simply expunging records, just doesnt deal with the quirk caused by MW. They could perhaps have made a low key announcement covering the general issue rather focusing specifically on the Bulls. Whatever decision they make if the Bulls fail to complete the season, the problem will not go away. Who's to say it will not happen again next year?
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| To me that looks as if this potential buyer has had a quick scan through the books and thought it's gone too far and isn't worth saving maybe!?!
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| Quote ="RhinoLaney"To me that looks as if this potential buyer has had a quick scan through the books and thought it's gone too far and isn't worth saving maybe!?!'"
Probably. It doesn't bode well for the prospect of another buyer though.
This week aganst wigan wigan could well be their last EVER game.
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| Can someone explain to me how if the Bulls do get liquidated and they form "newco" how can they be allowed to complete there fixtures for the remainder of the season?
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| Don't know the fine detail but the RFL have said they'll allow any newco to complete their SL fixtures pending a review when the season finishes.
I think that's the way ahead rather than giving teams byes and the points and having to re-locate a full squad mid-season.
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| Ah right, Cheers Rhinoms!
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Don't know the fine detail but the RFL have said they'll allow any newco to complete their SL fixtures pending a review when the season finishes.
I think that's the way ahead rather than giving teams byes and the points and having to re-locate a full squad mid-season.'"
Who is going to be playing for this "newco"? If they're existing players then they'll still need their salaries paying, if those players have been sold the money will go directly to old creditors.
Even if "Bulls 2012" field a team of kids with a skeleton office staff they'll still need to find the basics of ground rent, player insurance, medical staff, transportation, electricity, payroll taxes and on and on and on. If season tickets are honoured, this will be without any discernable income. If not, then they have the gates from 4 home games (London and Widnes included) to pay for everything until October.
The RFL have simply not thought through their hopeful notion that Bradford could complete the season after liquidation.
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| The statement to me implys the newco would pick up the running costs and salaries etc etc then it would be reviewed at the end of the year.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"The statement to me implys the newco would pick up the running costs and salaries etc etc then it would be reviewed at the end of the year.'"
So the newco has to be willing to burn £100-200k per month? In that case why would there even be a newco?
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Who is going to be playing for this "newco"? If they're existing players then they'll still need their salaries paying, if those players have been sold the money will go directly to old creditors.
Even if "Bulls 2012" field a team of kids with a skeleton office staff they'll still need to find the basics of ground rent, player insurance, medical staff, transportation, electricity, payroll taxes and on and on and on. If season tickets are honoured, this will be without any discernable income. If not, then they have the gates from 4 home games (London and Widnes included) to pay for everything until October.
The RFL have simply not thought through their hopeful notion that Bradford could complete the season after liquidation.'"
I think we'll be playing for the Bulls for free! Baggies Number 4!
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| Don't ask me that's for the newco to decide also the Administrator said they'd have to take next years losses aswell!!
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| Quote ="Middleton_Loiner"I think we'll be playing for the Bulls for free! Baggies Number 4!'"
Yeah, like Keith would do anything for free...
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Who is going to be playing for this "newco"? If they're existing players then they'll still need their salaries paying, if those players have been sold the money will go directly to old creditors.
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The RFL have simply not thought through their hopeful notion that Bradford could complete the season after liquidation.'"
There wouldnt be any existing players, since once the existing club is liquidated they're free agents.
The RFL suggestion seems to imply that they believe that a Supporters Trust could be instantly created, funded and seemlessly take over the operation of a SL club during mid season. Its wishful thinking.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Yeah, like Keith would do anything for free...'"
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Depends how you define "Odsal".
The fixtures and fittings such as the stands will, for the time being anyway, likely belong to Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, so they can't sell those.
The land itself is owned by the Council, so they can't sell that either.
So which bits of "Odsal are they selling?
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I define Odsal as the whole lot, the land and the buildings. The RFL own it all, by virtue of their leasehold interest.
They can sell the leasehold interest in the land and the buildings if they wish and have an interested party.
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| I would think any newco will charge season ticket holders for matches though it could well be a reduced fee. eg half price. That way they'll get funds in. If they have 10,000 fans paying a tenner they will generate much needed revenue. They have no obligation to the fans other than a loyalty factor showing fans that they re prepared to discount their viewing may limit the number of discontented fans who would walk away. don't forget if the Bulls o the money paid by fans for season tickets goes as well with no further benefit for th fans.
For the RFL's part I can imagine a much reduced lease, at least for this year to allow the Newco to get going andtry to ensure the season is completed.
These two things will go a long way to supporting newco for the short term.
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| What a fiasco. The Crusaders' saga has got nowt on this.....even if the club completes its fixtures this season how many cheap points are going to be won by teams playing a demoralised team ? Ughh !
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"What a fiasco. The Crusaders' saga has got nowt on this.....even if the club completes its fixtures this season how many cheap points are going to be won by teams playing a demoralised team ? Ughh !
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Then again mate they might play even better knowing they are in the shop window and playing for a contract elsewhere.
We have players at our club who raise their game just before their contract expires.
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| Disko back please
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| Quote ="**Horny88**"Disko back please'"
Leeds don't play hookers silly. We play players out of position to play there. The up and comings we decline to play and we go the extreme by drafting in chokers third choices to come in and 'save the day'.
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| If that game had been on SKY last night Elima would have proved a few of his doubters wrong. Certainly shut Gareth Hock up.
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