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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Think I'd rather have Kirke at centre than Senior
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Senior was past his best pre-injury, but was still capable of providing decent service to his winger. Senior in his prime was the best Centre I have seen in a Leeds shirt, but that was a long time ago now.
It's time to move on.'"
Why? Even a past his prime Senior was stil the best British centre about.
If we have cap space and he's only the right contract why not have a look? Do people get places in the team because of age rather than ability? We haven't "moved on" from the elder statesmen in the front row.
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| Quote ="G1"Why? Even a past his prime Senior was stil the best British centre about.
If we have cap space and he's only the right contract why not have a look? Do people get places in the team because of age rather than ability? We haven't "moved on" from the elder statesmen in the front row.'"
Totally agree. Senior to launch his Comeback Tour
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| Quote ="G1"Why? Even a past his prime Senior was stil the best British centre about.
If we have cap space and he's only the right contract why not have a look? Do people get places in the team because of age rather than ability? We haven't "moved on" from the elder statesmen in the front row.'"
How long do you think it would take Senior to get to anything like his pre-injury form and fitness? The season will most probably be over by that point. Presumably he'd need to play in the 20s first, denying game time to the next generation in that position.
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| That would depend largely on where he is in his re-hab and whether he's been realistically targetting a playing return in SL somewhere this season. I've no idea but suspect the player in question wants to get out and continue his record of playing in every season of SL. I don't think any of the few remaining ever presents made it in to 2012 and I expect that would be an added motivation for Senior.
Did Peacock or McGuire return via the under 20's last season? If they didn't (and I don't recall that they did) I can't see why Senior would need to either. Perhaps from the bench for a game or two in place of the second row option allowing Ablett to shift across one place if he's starting at centre.
Besides Watkins continuing problems injury wise Hardaker is currently proving to be of little threat ball in hand and more of a concern he's crowding out one of Super League's best finishers. If we're going to play two wingers on the left we might as well switch them around and see if Hall is the better option at centre. Senior could be a short-term option. I've no idea what he's looking for in terms of contract but I'd imagine the 'pay for play' deal that was alegedly on offer wouldn't be it.
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| I think that Senior would bring something to the attack, but from memory he was severely lacking in his defensive qualities last season, and this is an area where Hardaker has looked reasonably good, despite people's initial fears. I think he could do a job as an impact player for us, whether at second row or at centre, and I think the club are interested, but its whether senior can tie up a better deal somewhere else
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| Quote ="The Eagle"I think that Senior would bring something to the attack, but from memory he was severely lacking in his defensive qualities last season, and this is an area where Hardaker has looked reasonably good, despite people's initial fears. I think he could do a job as an impact player for us, whether at second row or at centre, and I think the club are interested, but its whether senior can tie up a better deal somewhere else'"
Keith wants to come back to the Rhinos. If we express an interest as Fans, then it might sway his decision to come back.
His Twitter is the best forum to do this.
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| Quote ="Middleton_Loiner"Quote ="The Eagle"I think that Senior would bring something to the attack, but from memory he was severely lacking in his defensive qualities last season, and this is an area where Hardaker has looked reasonably good, despite people's initial fears. I think he could do a job as an impact player for us, whether at second row or at centre, and I think the club are interested, but its whether senior can tie up a better deal somewhere else'"
Keith wants to come back to the Rhinos. If we express an interest as Fans, then it might sway his decision to come back.
His Twitter is the best forum to do this.'"
If he wants to come then what affect will pestering him on twitter do?
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| Quote ="The Eagle"If he wants to come then what affect will pestering him on twitter do?'"
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| Is Senior actually recovered from his knee injury yet?
If not, given that Watkins is out for 4 weeks, he wouldn't be the best short-term replacement would he?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Is Senior actually recovered from his knee injury yet?
If not, given that Watkins is out for 4 weeks, he wouldn't be the best short-term replacement would he?'"
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He should be ready for full training around now.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"How long do you think it would take Senior to get to anything like his pre-injury form and fitness? The season will most probably be over by that point. Presumably he'd need to play in the 20s first, denying game time to the next generation in that position.'"
I've no idea.
All I am saying is I wouldn't readily dismiss the idea of having a quick look at him on the right terms.
A one legged half fit Senior is still streets ahead of the likes of Shenton and Welham and, sadly, at this moment in time, Hardaker when it comes to playing centre.
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| Quote ="G1"Quote ="Andy Gilder"How long do you think it would take Senior to get to anything like his pre-injury form and fitness? The season will most probably be over by that point. Presumably he'd need to play in the 20s first, denying game time to the next generation in that position.'"
I've no idea.
All I am saying is I wouldn't readily dismiss the idea of having a quick look at him on the right terms.
A one legged half fit Senior is still streets ahead of the likes of Shenton and Welham and, sadly, at this moment in time, Hardaker when it comes to playing centre.'"
Which element of centre? Breaking tackles? I'm not so sure. Passing to his winger? Definintely an improvement.
Strength in defence? Maybe Mobility in defence? Definintely not.
I'd still be interested to see what he had to offer on the right deal, but I don't think its a dead certainty that he'd be more effective all round than Hardaker
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Which element of centre? Breaking tackles? I'm not so sure. Passing to his winger? Definintely an improvement.
Strength in defence? Maybe Mobility in defence? Definintely not.
I'd still be interested to see what he had to offer on the right deal, but I don't think its a dead certainty that he'd be more effective all round than Hardaker'"
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Which element of centre? '"
All of them.
Quote I'd still be interested to see what he had to offer on the right deal, but I don't think its a dead certainty that he'd be more effective all round than Hardaker'" Hardaker is doing a very poor job in the centre position. In fact, he's been getting worse, not better, as the season progresses.
It's hard to imagine Senior, with all of his experience could be less effective as a centre, IMO.
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| Quote ="G1"Quote ="The Eagle"Which element of centre? '"
All of them.
Quote I'd still be interested to see what he had to offer on the right deal, but I don't think its a dead certainty that he'd be more effective all round than Hardaker'" Hardaker is doing a very poor job in the centre position. In fact, he's been getting worse, not better, as the season progresses.
It's hard to imagine Senior, with all of his experience could be less effective as a centre, IMO.'"
I agree that he's doing worse as the season goes on. I disagree that Senior would be better in all facets. I beleive that Hardakers mobility & speed would be better, in both defence and attack, and that he'd break more tackles than senior albeit by using footwork rather than power. He's probably give away fewer penalties too.
However, he doesn't have the old head and nouse that senior does, or the ability to pass to Hall.
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| Quote ="The Eagle"I agree that he's doing worse as the season goes on. I disagree that Senior would be better in all facets. I beleive that Hardakers mobility & speed would be better, in both defence and attack, and that he'd break more tackles than senior albeit by using footwork rather than power. He's probably give away fewer penalties too.
However, he doesn't have the old head and nouse that senior does, or the ability to pass to Hall.'"
fair enough. We wouldn't know definitively unless we gave him a shot and we both seem to agree that, on the right terms, there's not much to lose in doing that.
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| Quote ="The Eagle"I agree that he's doing worse as the season goes on. I disagree that Senior would be better in all facets. I beleive that Hardakers mobility & speed would be better, in both defence and attack, and that he'd break more tackles than senior albeit by using footwork rather than power. He's probably give away fewer penalties too.
=#FF0000However, he doesn't have the old head and nouse that senior does, or the ability to pass to Hall.'"
Completely agree. If you look at freeze frames of Senior Attacking the Line from last year, there is genuine fear in the face of most players he runs at. This is Reputation and Respect for his ability and Power. This in turn sucks in the defense and creates indecision in the minds of the defense allowing Keith to use one of the skills from his massive box of tricks.
Hardaker, unfortunately, is just dealt with.
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| Quote ="G1"Quote ="The Eagle"I agree that he's doing worse as the season goes on. I disagree that Senior would be better in all facets. I beleive that Hardakers mobility & speed would be better, in both defence and attack, and that he'd break more tackles than senior albeit by using footwork rather than power. He's probably give away fewer penalties too.
However, he doesn't have the old head and nouse that senior does, or the ability to pass to Hall.'"
fair enough. We wouldn't know definitively unless we gave him a shot and we both seem to agree that, on the right terms, there's not much to lose in doing that.'"
Agreed. Pay as you play. Get him training, and see what his physical levels are, then test him in a match. It could be that 12 months out of the game have allowed the rest of his body to heal and strengthen so we may see a better version than we did in 2011
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Agreed. Pay as you play. Get him training, and see what his physical levels are, then test him in a match. It could be that 12 months out of the game have allowed the rest of his body to heal and strengthen so we may see a better version than we did in 2011'"
I think that if we don't offer him a 12 month Contract, that Hull KR is his next club. Jake Webster out......Keith Senior in. Doesn't that tell us he is worth more than a PBP Deal?
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| Is he still on the payroll?I saw him at HQ at one of the Easter games and I read in the program notes that he accompanied GH and some other people to a function in the southwest
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"Is he still on the payroll?I saw him at HQ at one of the Easter games and I read in the program notes that he accompanied GH and some other people to a function in the southwest'"
I'm not sure but it wouldn't surprise me.
Hopefully that is a good sign and we will be seeing him with Double Digits on his Back in a Rhinos Shirt before long
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| Just over 12 months ago Jamie Peacock was being re-introduced into Leeds' 1st grade team after knee reconstruction surgery. Earlier this year he and Leeds agreed a two year extension to his current contract keeping him at the club until the end of the 2014 season by which stage he will be pushing 37 and unlike Senior he's playing long minutes right at the coal face. Beyond that he's an iconic figure of SL, England RL and Leeds RL. He's rightly up there with Keith Senior.
These players are machines and not to be confused with mere mortal beings. If Senior holds his hand up and offers his services I hope the club treats the man with the respect he deserves.
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| Quote ="Middleton_Loiner"Completely agree. If you look at freeze frames of Senior Attacking the Line from last year, there is genuine fear in the face of most players he runs at. This is Reputation and Respect for his ability and Power. This in turn sucks in the defense and creates indecision in the minds of the defense allowing Keith to use one of the skills from his massive box of tricks.
Hardaker, unfortunately, is just dealt with.'"
I agree re the reputation, that also extended to putting up high kicks in his direction too, opponents knew if they kicked it his way one of two things would happen, he would very rarely make an attempt at a catch and as a result he would either give a penalty away blocking or leave his winger completely exposed.
The likes of GI and MR are only focusing on one element of his game and I completely agree it is also inconcievable that Senior could provide a less impotent left side attack than we have currently. Attack is only half the game and that is the real issue here.
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