how can hull be the most pro active club when they have the same problem in the same area of the grond with the same group of people. a hull fan tells me they are always there. how hard is it to identify them and ban them?

How? And have a think about your answer before replying.

How do you label a bunch of people and move them?

Firstly, why not visit the Hull FC and see the pro-active measures for your self and then try and find the same ones at other clubs.

Secondly, same question to you as the other guy or girl. How?

Firstly, what consitutes been a trouble causer? Chanting horrible chants at opposition fans? Because there is a lot of Leeds fans chanting you are "the scum of rugby league" that should probably be moved on mass as well in that case.

Are you sure you saw it?

The reason I ask is because it was a glass, not a bottle which I know is still uncalled for and something I dont want associating with leeds, BUT make sure that you get it right if you reckon you saw it.

I was in the middle of the east stand, I assumed it was a bottle. OK, lets term it "missle" if we are going to be predantic. I was also trying to watch the game at the time rather than those pillocks.

Its widely reported anyway, so I'm not entirely sure why it matters what the object was. The fact it was the first object thrown and it shouldn't have been thrown in the first place.

Which is what I said anyway isn't it?

I am not sure I can accept your assertion that this (the first missile) was indeed a FACT how could you know if you where watching the match rather than the pillocks???

also if the Leeds fan responsible for the missile was ejected surely then he should have been arrested and then details passed to both clubs so a ban could be put in place.

The responsibility for all fans at that game was the stadium managements and IMHO they have clearly not fulfilled their duty of care to the paying public.

BOYCOTT THE PLACE TILL THEY DO

Because all the problems will be solved on this thread! Why dont you all take your time out to write to the club or to the council, people more important...Like you say ' do something about it'!

i have a better idea. why don't the hull club sort it out once and for all

And you were the one making the accusations about missing the point



The original poster wrote to both clubs, and credit to him for that. He also provides a link which clearly states that the RFL are working with both clubs to investigate and have received a report from the ground safety officer.

I don't really think an e-mail/letter from me, to tell them that I didn't see anything, was sat at the other end of the stand minding my own business, but really hope they sort it out, will add much weight to the investigation at this stage if I'm honest

The missle that was thrown at Luaki wasn't a bottle, but rather about a half full plastic beer glass.

How do I know this ?

Well, the individual in question wasn't a million miles away from where the Admiral was sat and whilst I didn't see the person concerned actually throw it (I saw it as it came from somewhere close over my right shoulder shortly after launch) and on to the field of play.

However, there were people who were sat with me who DID see the person that throw it and what HE was wearing (interestingly, they weren't wearing Leeds colours, but by that I am not suggesting they weren't a Leeds fan). He was nothing to do with us / our party and members of my party that were sat near them had no interaction with them during the course of the game.

In terms of where it was in the ground, it was nowhere near Chav Corner (quite the opposite, in fact) and was a reasonable distance back from the perimiter fence.

More than that, I can't tell you, because funnily enough I was watching what was going on down on the pitch at the time the item was thrown. It's only after chatting to people within my group this week and on the news of a subsequent RFL investigation, that I've found out that the 'receptical chucker' was closer to me than I thought.

If it was seen by the stewards / security, then they certainly didn't do anything about it whilst the match was going on, because the individual concerned went unchallenged for the remainder of the game.

Perhaps in terms of improvement to stewarding, Hull might want consider deploying stewards around the perimiter of the end and LOOKING BACK IN TO THE STANDS, rather than as it seems at most grounds that the orange coat is merely an excuse to watch the game and get paid for it at the same time (as seems a common tradition elsewhere on Humberside). Then, should anyone decide to do something stuipd like throw something on to the pitch, the stewards watching the crowd can at least pin-point the aproximate area of where the missle was launched from to allow the CCTV to zoom in and the individual concerned is swiftly ejected / arrested.

Given the problems at the game and given the history between the two teams, one of the probable outcomes will be the banning of beer in the seats at Hull the next time we're there and yet another ground will be lost to the pleasureable experience of watching a game with a pint because of the inability of someone to demonstrate self-control.

In terms of hassle after the game, I walked back in to the centre of Hull after the game surrounded by FC fans. This was part of my plan to get home and given the nature of the locals, I take sensible precautions (like ensuring my 'exclusive' Leeds shirt is kept well out of sight outside the stadium). I saw no fighting, hassle or scuffles to report.

I know a few Wakey fans who refuse to go to the KC due to the 'chav corner' idiots abusing them throughout the game.

Why pay a club money to be abused is the general concensus.

This has been a problem for a fair few years now and and I am surprised the Hull club haven't done
anything about it yet.

Good post. With regard to the stewards either failing to see the culprit or to take action, I can remember a similar occurrence in the north stand at HQ some years ago. On this occasion numerous people standing nearby pointed out the perpetrator to two coppers who were idling their way around the pitch perimeter. He was promptly ejected (and at the same time made aware that most right-thinking people thought his actions were those of a grade A ). Surely as fans we should work with the stewards if we want to stamp out this type of behaviour?

No chance Leeds fans will boycott the KC. Most enjoy their visit and quite rightfully so, its a great place to watch Rugby League. Like I said before, I enjoy coming to Leeds for the same reason.

I've seen trouble at Leeds games in the 20 years I've been going which is few and far between, but I'm not about to let a few drunk numpties stop me from watching Rugby League, as much as I'm not going to let the same type of person stop me going for a night out in my local town .

There is no serious problem at Hull FC, no more so than any other club. People can try and talk it up as much as they like, but there simply isn't - and I think some of the comments are less about the problem and more about baiting FC fans.

Those who are suggesting the club should take a pro-active approach to any problem causers that we do have, I entirely agree with and fully support. I would even go so far as to agree with comments about moving "chav corner" away from away fans, but again, I've not heard a single practical solution to the problem yet. Aside from labelling everybody, how do you identify who should be moved and who shouldn't without demonstrating blanket prejudice. I don't know, but according to some of this thread it sounds perfectly easy.

Stewarding. The previous poster says that they should be watching the crowd and not the game, I entirely agree but in their defence I often go to the KC (obviously) and I have to say, I've never noticed this problem. Also the stewards at KC are generally pretty good. There was an incident with a Hull KR fan at one of our games (not a derby) who was just there to goad the crowd and cause trouble, and the stewards were very good at warning him and eventually removing him without any real problems flaring up. However I do not want to see a massive build up of stewards in that corner, I do not want to see RL become like football. Ask any cooper who is experienced in crowd control, they'll tell you that an in your face stragegy is more likely to cause problems than anything.

Hull FC should fully coperate this the RFL investigation, which I'm sure they will. I would imagine that the RFL will issue either a warning or a fine. If stewards were indeed looking the other way, they should be looked at individually. Hull FC should investigate and issue bans were appropiate and deal with it case by case. I don't think you will be seeing any dealing with this on a club wide level though, as imo, its simply not needed at this point. And please lets not try and push Hull into the "bad" corner and Leeds into the "good" corner, because we all know its not and never will be that simple.

Think that the trouble has been blown up out of proportion, a few mindless idiots wrecking which should be a great fixture between two rival clubs, ive been following fc for years and seen it come from both sides both at the kc and at headingley, it hasnt stopped me from following my team.

what i thought was quite ironic though was that one minute the leeds fans were singing "youre the scum of rugby league" and then straight into a chorus of " you fat ba$tard" aimed at one of our players

I think people are exaggerating all this a little bit.

A bit of f'in and blindin' and a bottle thrown is hardly 80s football hooliganism. It's just two passionate sets of fans getting abit heated in my eyes and why somebody would cry over something so insignificant is beyond me.

I'd agree there's no chance of a collective boycott but I can assure you there are quite a few who avoid the place (largely based on things that have happened in the past I might add). The sad fact is that any disorder, however minor, will detract further from your club's reputation. Which is a terrible pity because there's been a massive improvement in recent years.

I have only ever moved once during a game because of foul and abusive language, and that was at a Hull vs Cas match. I was stood with the Hull fans and the abuse was not directed at me (but at the Cas fans the Cas players and the ref), but I simply couldn't listen to it. It was horrendous and relentless from a group of 20-30 "fans". It was NOT what most people go to games to listen to.

Frankly, I don't think anyone (especially with children) should have to suffer relentless personal abuse under any circumstances.

Hull need to deal with this specific problem. Banning 10-20 idiots (and the threat of banning for others) may improve attendences significantly.

How do you know what had happened though? Being subject to or even hearing prolonged abuse is pretty upsetting.

I cried for a long time when I was caught up in the hideousness at the football

It is this systemic blind indifference to the obvious that has lead me to believe that a BOYCOTT of that particular stadium is the only course of action that will have some effect.

The only conclusion I can come to from your post and others of a similar apologistic nature on here is that we must wait until someone is seriously injured or we see another "goal post" episode beofre any action is taken.

Oh give over. You must live in cotton wool.

Yep, I don't like have "You are the scum of Rugby League" sung at grounds either and the other anti-Hull chants. Didn't stop a large section of the Leeds fans singing it on Saturday though.

I don't however think Leeds have a problem to deal with.

You can't censor people, other than to stop racism and the like. You will also get close to the bone comments, sungs etc at sports grounds and unfortunetly its a parents judgement if they mind their child been exposed to that.

Hardly

You see its that the sort of ignorance that makes this an important issue because some day if this isnt adressed we face a problem that will damage the game as a whole perhaps permanently .

I am no hard man but I played the game for a while and have coached at junior and amateur level... I love the game for me its simply the best



Oh

and I also came within a hairs breadth of being killed whilst watching at a game ( not involving HULL I hasten to add) and the culprits were apprehended charged and convicted due to the actions of the clubs and the stadium involved and some fellow supporters ( all unknown to me).

I just happen to think that the KC stadium and the Hull club prefer to sweep these matters under the carpet.

So in your opinion, is there a problem or not? You start your post saying there isn't, (which there is btw), then go on to discuss posibilities for solving the 'serious problem.'

Central Park 1994. I saw it.