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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"[iSeason 2010: a maximum of 6 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club
Trained Players, Federation Trained Players from the Club’s own federation or
Academy Junior and a minimum of 7 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors[/i
Sorry tvoc, I got that wrong, it does now give a minimum of 7 'Club Trained' or Academy juniors, with Academy juniors being classed as any player under 21 at the club listed in the first team squad (or playing in the academy anyway, obviously). Of course to then become a 'Club Trained Player' when they reach 21, they must have been playing at the club for three full seasons prior to their birthday. So if you sign a 20 year old they would not have been at the club long-enough, once they got to 21, to be classed as 'Club Trained'.
Everyone clear so far???
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"They are silent about it reducing to 5 for 2011 (but were clear about 2008, 2009 and 2010 and the reductions by one non-fed player each year), so at the moment unless that has been passed by the clubs and board already, I think we must take it with a pinch of salt.
'" The operational rules may be silent but the reduction is publicised on the Super League web site.
[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346See the bottom of this page.[/url
Given that the operational rules are clearly out-dated at section C I wouldn't rely too much on the absence of a mention of any reduction in those rules.
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Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Ok, I think it has to be 6 non-federation trained players maximum in 2010 as the operational rules are clear about this, and they must be king, and if Wakey have got it wrong, they need better lawyers.'"
And Bradford too?
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 922464.ece
[iThere has been no announcement by Bradford of Walker’s signing, although he was the subject of speculation in the summer about a possible move to the Bulls. Orford’s addition took the club up to the quota limit after the signings of Kearney, Heath L’Estrange and Glenn Hall, with Steve Menzies, another Australian, already on board. [/i
www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/orfo ... 82719.html
[iWalker's manager, Chris Orr, attacked Bradford management last night, saying Walker had a deal with the club but that the Bulls were trying to squeeze him out because the signing of halfback Orford to a three-year deal took them over the limit of five imported players.[/i
And from closer to home - the Bradford T&A
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... for_Bulls/
[iUnder Super League rules, the Bulls are allowed to include five players on their overseas quota for the 2010 season.
Returning star Steve Menzies has retained one of the spots, while the remaining places are taken by Brett Kearney from Cronulla and Orford, Glenn Hall and Heath L’Estrange, the club’s three off-season signings from Manly. [/i
I'll only be clear when the RFL produce a list of the declared SL Squads and show next to each name how they are designated under the current 'quota' rules.
That's not going to happen anytime soon though I suspect so the debate can go on.....and on...... and on.
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Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Ok, I think it has to be 6 non-federation trained players maximum in 2010 as the operational rules are clear about this, and they must be king, and if Wakey have got it wrong, they need better lawyers.'"
And Bradford too?
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 922464.ece
[iThere has been no announcement by Bradford of Walker’s signing, although he was the subject of speculation in the summer about a possible move to the Bulls. Orford’s addition took the club up to the quota limit after the signings of Kearney, Heath L’Estrange and Glenn Hall, with Steve Menzies, another Australian, already on board. [/i
www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/orfo ... 82719.html
[iWalker's manager, Chris Orr, attacked Bradford management last night, saying Walker had a deal with the club but that the Bulls were trying to squeeze him out because the signing of halfback Orford to a three-year deal took them over the limit of five imported players.[/i
And from closer to home - the Bradford T&A
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... for_Bulls/
[iUnder Super League rules, the Bulls are allowed to include five players on their overseas quota for the 2010 season.
Returning star Steve Menzies has retained one of the spots, while the remaining places are taken by Brett Kearney from Cronulla and Orford, Glenn Hall and Heath L’Estrange, the club’s three off-season signings from Manly. [/i
I'll only be clear when the RFL produce a list of the declared SL Squads and show next to each name how they are designated under the current 'quota' rules.
That's not going to happen anytime soon though I suspect so the debate can go on.....and on...... and on.
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| Quote ="G1"The operational rules may be silent but the reduction is publicised on the Super League web site.
[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346See the bottom of this page.[/url
Given that the operational rules are clearly out-dated at section C I wouldn't rely too much on the absence of a mention of any reduction in those rules.'"
No I think you are correct, if they agreed the change to 2011 after the OR's were last published in 2007 that could be one reason that it is silent. I agree it does look like the 2011 rules are going to increase club trained and academy players by one to eight and reduce non-federation players to 5.
However, as both the OR's and the SL website agree, it clear must be 6 non-federation players for 2010... so god knows tvoc why Wakey and Bratfud think it is 5 this year?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"so god knows tvoc why Wakey and Bratfud think it is 5 this year?'"
It's OK they're not alone, Leeds think it's 7
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And from closer to home - the Bradford T&A
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... for_Bulls/
[iUnder Super League rules, the Bulls are allowed to include =#FF0000five players on their overseas quota for the 2010 season.
That's not going to happen anytime soon though I suspect so the debate can go on.....and on...... and on.'"
Could the issue be about contract duration with current squad non-fed players? What I mean is if they already have 5 non-fed players on contracts that extend into 2011 or beyond, and an incoming player wants a two year deal as a non-fed player, he could only have a contract for 2010 and not 2011 or beyond... that makes some sense doesn't it?
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And from closer to home - the Bradford T&A
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... for_Bulls/
[iUnder Super League rules, the Bulls are allowed to include =#FF0000five players on their overseas quota for the 2010 season.
That's not going to happen anytime soon though I suspect so the debate can go on.....and on...... and on.'"
Could the issue be about contract duration with current squad non-fed players? What I mean is if they already have 5 non-fed players on contracts that extend into 2011 or beyond, and an incoming player wants a two year deal as a non-fed player, he could only have a contract for 2010 and not 2011 or beyond... that makes some sense doesn't it?
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| Quote ="tvoc"It's OK they're not alone, Leeds think it's 7
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Stop that.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"
However, as both the OR's and the SL website agree, it clear must be 6 non-federation players for 2010... so god knows tvoc why Wakey and Bratfud think it is 5 this year?'" TVOC has provided lots of links to media reports.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. Only yesterday TVOC highlighted how completely unreliable media reports are.
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Yes, but information is power... unless you are the wife and you can have power without information or any real reasoning, because you can withhold conjugal rites!
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| Quote ="G1"TVOC has provided lots of links to media reports.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. Only yesterday TVOC highlighted how completely unreliable media reports are.'"
Touche...
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Could the issue be about contract duration with current squad non-fed players? What I mean is if they already have 5 non-fed players on contracts that extend into 2011 or beyond, and an incoming player wants a two year deal as a non-fed player, he could only have a contract for 2010 and not 2011 or beyond... that makes some sense doesn't it?'"
I don't think that is the issue here as Steve Menzies is not contracted to the Bulls for 2011. They will have Orford, L'Estrange, Hall and Kearney committed to the quota next season but that leaves one place available.
Of course we don't know the status of Chris Nero in all this and whether he is contracted for 2011 either. I'm assuming he's gained exemption.
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