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| Quote ="Cav"Wilkin pulling Keith over during the play the ball was a tactic Saints played all match, can't really see that being the reason Keith smacked him. '"
This incident was right after the hilarious Gilmour smacking of Sean Long and the mellee that happened afterwards. Passions would've been high, and Wilkin actling like a hard man when he's not was asking for it.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"5m from the line. Eastmond's running at Burrow, Hall's covering his winger, you really think Keith should be holding back and leaving Burrow to defend the try line against Eastmond?'"
Except there wasn't a winger, as Gardner was infield having played the ball following the previous tackle. Flannery had already started to make the run inside Eastmond at that point, so you had Hall and Burrow to look after Eastmond if he continued running towards the touchline.
Senior over-committed to following Eastmond when he should have passed him on seen Flannery making the inside run. Bailey didn't fill in fast enough. They're both culpable for the try IMO, not just Bailey.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I am being serious - if you land a full-on punch to the head of an opponent then you should be seeing red rather than yellow. Senior had plenty of time to think about how to react to the situation, it's not like Wilkin came running at him fists flailing and he had to defend himself. He could have just pushed Wilkin away, he could have carried on with the grabbing and shoving that was going on but he chose to escalate it into a boxing match.
Whatever Wilkin did to cause the situation in the first place doesn't excuse Senior both choosing to escalate it and then ignoring the instructions of the referee and TJ by wanting to carry it on for some time afterwards.
Should have been looking at a dismissal, and should still be looking at a one game ban IMO.'"
The incident that happened before this, Gilmour tried to smack Lee Smith, who was being confronted, and held, by Sean Long. As it happened Gilmour ended up smacking Sean Long, but the basic fact is that he was attempting to smack a player who couldn't defend himself.
Surely that is worse than smacking someone who is stood in front of you and has ample time to protect themselves?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I am being serious - if you land a full-on punch to the head of an opponent then you should be seeing red rather than yellow. Senior had plenty of time to think about how to react to the situation, it's not like Wilkin came running at him fists flailing and he had to defend himself. He could have just pushed Wilkin away, he could have carried on with the grabbing and shoving that was going on but he chose to escalate it into a boxing match.
Whatever Wilkin did to cause the situation in the first place doesn't excuse Senior both choosing to escalate it and then ignoring the instructions of the referee and TJ by wanting to carry it on for some time afterwards.
Should have been looking at a dismissal, and should still be looking at a one game ban IMO.'"
Ok, I do agree about Keith over-reacting, and I am sure I used those exact words earlier and therefore can see you point about maybe a red. I disagree, but can see your point. But a one match ban? We have no idea what Wilkin and Gilmour said to Keith and maybe Mr Bentham does?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Personally I thought Bentham bottled it big style on Friday and that Senior should have been sent off.
The touch judge's report was clear and concise but Bentham seemed to be waiting for either the TJ or video ref to tell him what to do next in terms of punishment.
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The touch judge was giving a clear indication (apart from actually saying the words -red card) that it was a red card offence. I'm not sure Bentham bottled it, I think he just used his judgement. There were 2-3 minutes left and the game was over, Wilkin was not incapacitated and the game was already at boiling point. Also, a red or yellow surely won't make any difference to the disciplinary verdict.
There are many other examples of yellow cards or no action at all for punches like that, likewise a red would have been hard to argue with.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"The incident that happened before this, Gilmour tried to smack Lee Smith, who was being confronted, and held, by Sean Long. As it happened Gilmour ended up smacking Sean Long, but the basic fact is that he was attempting to smack a player who couldn't defend himself.
Surely that is worse than smacking someone who is stood in front of you and has ample time to protect themselves?'"
If I recall correctly, Lee Smith was pretty much the aggressor in that whole confrontation up until that point. He'd attempted to take Gilmour's head off with the tackle, then swung a cheap right hander in on a grounded player.
But had Gilmour connected then yes, he should have been looking at disciplinary action himself.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Except there wasn't a winger, as Gardner was infield having played the ball following the previous tackle. Flannery had already started to make the run inside Eastmond at that point, so you had Hall and Burrow to look after Eastmond if he continued running towards the touchline.
Senior over-committed to following Eastmond when he should have passed him on seen Flannery making the inside run. Bailey didn't fill in fast enough. They're both culpable for the try IMO, not just Bailey.'"
I agree that Keith over-committed with Eastmond. But seeing as it was 5m out and Eastmond was faced by Burrow, I don't think it's a major error.
Standing having a stroll, which is what Bailey did, is a major error. Bailey deserved the 8o11ocking he got.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If I recall correctly, Lee Smith was pretty much the aggressor in that whole confrontation up until that point. He'd attempted to take Gilmour's head off with the tackle, then swung a cheap right hander in on a grounded player.
But had Gilmour connected then yes, he should have been looking at disciplinary action himself.'"
Let me guess, you went to see the Floodlit 9's and can't wait to see more, so you're trying to get so many players banned that you do see it soon?
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Let me guess, you went to see the Floodlit 9's and can't wait to see more, so you're trying to get so many players banned that you do see it soon?'"
Not at all, what I'm trying to "get" is a sport where players don't feel they have the right to knock the living sh*t out of each other illegally like we had in the 70s.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If I recall correctly, Lee Smith was pretty much the aggressor in that whole confrontation up until that point. He'd attempted to take Gilmour's head off with the tackle'"
Shoulder first but if it's initial aggressor you're applying here wasn't Wilkin that with Senior?
Quote ="Andy Gilder" then swung a cheap right hander in on a grounded player.'"
Smith attacked the ball, Gilmour knocked on, result.
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| Wilkin is pathetic falling over from that, a 3 year old would have put up a better fight.
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| Senior didn't look happy after the game. And the handshake afterwards definitley wasn't "let's forgive and forget"...but more, "you just wait until next time".
Senior has never struck me as the sort of player who would lash out at someone for nothing...it would be interesting to know exactly what Wilkin said.
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| Quote ="Zcottz"
...it would be interesting to know exactly what Wilkin said.'"
Probably told Squeef that he was going to back out of buying that shag carpet he's got going at the moment on that auction website.
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| Quote Probably told Squeef that he was going to back out of buying that shag carpet he's got going at the moment on that auction website. '"
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"You'd prefer him to invent some sort of arbitrary response to something he didn't see then ?'"
no. just take in the amount of times&the seriousness of the touch judge's comments regards senior punching wilkin several times and then acting like a thug on a saturday night afterwards....
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| Quote ="chris_joynt's_barber"no. just take in the amount of times&the seriousness of the touch judge's comments regards senior punching wilkin several times and then acting like a thug on a saturday night afterwards....'"
Drama Queen!!!
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| Quote ="chris_joynt's_barber"no. just take in the amount of times&the seriousness of the touch judge's comments regards senior punching wilkin several times and then acting like a thug on a saturday night afterwards....'"
Is it me or did the touch judge seem to be smiling when giving his report to Bentham??
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| Quote ="Zcottz"Senior didn't look happy after the game. And the handshake afterwards definitley wasn't "let's forgive and forget"...but more, "you just wait until next time".
Senior has never struck me as the sort of player who would lash out at someone for nothing...it would be interesting to know exactly what Wilkin said.'"
He mentioned his extra marital affair in Aus
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| Quote ="tm - tl"He mentioned his extra marital affair in Aus'"
I wish I'd heard him I would have asked Wilkin about his "telephone calls"
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| Quote ="tm - tl"He mentioned his extra marital affair in Aus'"
rubbish. i'd be chuffed if bloodbaths mrs told all the nationals i was a 10 in bed
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| I don't know which game you lot were watching [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=254&hs2=2009&hp2=3&stat=tries&season=2009Senior and Pyce[/url weren't even sent to the sin bin.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I wish I'd heard him I would have asked Wilkin about his "telephone calls"
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| Quote ="Zcottz"Senior didn't look happy after the game. And the handshake afterwards definitley wasn't "let's forgive and forget"...but more, "you just wait until next time".
Senior has never struck me as the sort of player who would lash out at someone for nothing...it would be interesting to know exactly what Wilkin said.'"
I don't think he said anything. Wilkin pulled Senior over head first as Keef was playing the ball, Keef then rolled over him then picked him up off the floor. It was at this point that Wilkin shoves Senior in the chest and the rest is history. Interesting to see though was not 2 yards away was a certain dummy spitter who did not rush to his mates aid but stood back, then started giving it the chelping and finger pointing once there were bodies around
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if pryce can only get enough games after ball tampering and gleeson and long after betting against there own team,to enable them to play in big games why should we worry
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if pryce can only get enough games after ball tampering and gleeson and long after betting against there own team,to enable them to play in big games why should we worry
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